Diesel v Petrol pump prices

[Max Power]

1 hour ago, Manxman1234 said:

#fakenews ? 😂🤦‍♂️

It clogged up modern diesels. we had several cars break down with black gunge in the fuel system. Older low pressure systems seemed ok.

[Non-Believer]

2 hours ago, Max Power said:

It clogged up modern diesels. we had several cars break down with black gunge in the fuel system. Older low pressure systems seemed ok.

That would be the bits of burnt chips left in the oil....

[Manxman1234]

Bit of a difference now between them. Nice to see diesel still dropping 

[woolley]

Diesel here today 144.9. Last few days in NW England between £1.58 and £1.64. Looks like we are back to around 15p to 20p cheaper on Island as was the case for most of 2022.

[Non-Believer]

3 hours ago, woolley said:

Diesel here today 144.9. Last few days in NW England between £1.58 and £1.64. Looks like we are back to around 15p to 20p cheaper on Island as was the case for most of 2022.

And it's very welcome, one wonders how the differential is arising though?

For years we were told that the then higher price of fuel on the Island was at least partly due to the lower volumes being sold here, economics of scale etc. So have we suddenly started buying and using more fuel than UK outlets and consumers or is there another reason?

[woolley]

16 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

And it's very welcome, one wonders how the differential is arising though?

For years we were told that the then higher price of fuel on the Island was at least partly due to the lower volumes being sold here, economics of scale etc. So have we suddenly started buying and using more fuel than UK outlets and consumers or is there another reason?

I haven't been able to get to the bottom of it. It's strange changing the habit of a lifetime filling up to go across after years of filling up to come home. Never thought I'd see the day, but it continued through most of last year, and now here we are again.

[finlo]

Something to do with E10 wasn't it?

[AcousticallyChallenged]

20 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

And it's very welcome, one wonders how the differential is arising though?

For years we were told that the then higher price of fuel on the Island was at least partly due to the lower volumes being sold here, economics of scale etc. So have we suddenly started buying and using more fuel than UK outlets and consumers or is there another reason?

One claim was the biofuel mixes that are now mandated in the UK costing more.

It was around then that it switched around.

[woolley]

29 minutes ago, finlo said:

Something to do with E10 wasn't it?

 

29 minutes ago, AcousticallyChallenged said:

One claim was the biofuel mixes that are now mandated in the UK costing more.

It was around then that it switched around.

E10 is petrol. We're talking about diesel.

Do they really process different fuels through the UK system specifically for the Isle of Man? That seems highly unlikely. We usually just get what we're given.

Edited May 27, 2023 by woolley

[Non-Believer]

4 minutes ago, woolley said:

E10 is petrol. We're talking about diesel.

Do they really process different fuels through the UK system specifically for the Isle of Man? That seems highly unlikely. We usually just get what we're given.

We reputedly don't get E10 here on the grounds of it being hygroscopic, absorbing moisture from the atmosphere, and being more likely to become contaminated from the obligatory sea journey here.

I've seen the effects that E10 can have on vehicle fuel systems that aren't specifically designed for it after a certain date, they're neither pretty nor cheap.

If the reasons for it not being here are as reported then there is a God looking after us.

[AcousticallyChallenged]

6 minutes ago, woolley said:

Do they really process different fuels through the UK system specifically for the Isle of Man? That seems highly unlikely. We usually just get what we're given.

When they made E10 mandatory in the UK, the local fuel companies claimed that there would be no introduction of E10 here. But why would they unless they had to?

I've heard that the local fuel infrastructure isn't necessarily rated for it, and it'd never be introduced as a commercial decision.

 But it is around then that both diesel and petrol got cheaper here. Maybe there's no link on the diesel front, but.

 

2 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

've seen the effects that E10 can have on vehicle fuel systems that aren't specifically designed for it after a certain date, they're neither pretty nor cheap.

It's a weird one. Kawasaki went really late into the mid-00s before they claimed it's safe for their bikes. Harley claim their bikes have been fine with E10 since 1980. Volvos since the 70s are fine with it too, they claim.

But, you're contingent on the things that have been swapped or changed since then too. Who knows what o-rings you have in the carbs of a 20+ year old vehicle?

Another of the big problems is that it dislodges all the crud that a lifetime of non E10 use has allowed to sit. You get a similar effect from running old diesels on chip fat, the fuel filter picks up all the muck and blocks up very quickly the first couple of times.

[Non-Believer]

1 minute ago, AcousticallyChallenged said:

It's a weird one. Kawasaki went really late into the mid-00s before they claimed it's safe for their bikes. Harley claim their bikes have been fine with E10 since 1980. Volvos since the 70s are fine with it too, they claim.

But, you're contingent on the things that have been swapped or changed since then too. Who knows what o-rings you have in the carbs of a 20+ year old vehicle?

Another of the big problems is that it dislodges all the crud that a lifetime of non E10 use has allowed to sit. You get a similar effect from running old diesels on chip fat, the fuel filter picks up all the muck and blocks up very quickly the first couple of times.

I've seen neoprene and plastic fuel system components reduced to a sticky, useless goo, brass components rotted and corroded away (that doesn't happen that quick, even in sea water) and the water that E10 has attracted corrode alloy components to white powder. All in a way that previous fuels never did. If you've got an older vehicle that you want to write off quick, put E10 in it. Or maybe that was the ploy to get rid of the older vehicles on the roads...

[woolley]

58 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

We reputedly don't get E10 here on the grounds of it being hygroscopic, absorbing moisture from the atmosphere, and being more likely to become contaminated from the obligatory sea journey here.

I've seen the effects that E10 can have on vehicle fuel systems that aren't specifically designed for it after a certain date, they're neither pretty nor cheap.

If the reasons for it not being here are as reported then there is a God looking after us.

The business with the sea journey sounds dubious. Surely the tanks are sealed for the crossing. Sounds like urban legend.

[Non-Believer]

1 minute ago, woolley said:

The business with the sea journey sounds dubious. Surely the tanks are sealed for the crossing. Sounds like urban legend.

Huge tanks on the steel boats, condensation and possible ingress of sea water a problem. It's plausible, what other reason could there be for fuel prices being lower on a remote, from the mainland, island with all the attendant extra transport costs and a lower market volume?

[woolley]

1 minute ago, Non-Believer said:

Huge tanks on the steel boats, condensation and possible ingress of sea water a problem. It's plausible, what other reason could there be for fuel prices being lower on a remote, from the mainland, island with all the attendant extra transport costs and a lower market volume?

Indeed. But even providing a different spec to the UK for such a small market would indicate increased cost too, even if the product was slightly "less processed". 'Tis a mystery.