Gladys Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 9 minutes ago, WTF said: so does that make paedophile a gender then ?? I am not qualified to say, but even if there is an argument it is, it is still illegal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 6 minutes ago, Gladys said: I am not qualified to say, but even if there is an argument it is, it is still illegal. is it ?? , i know the act is , not so sure about the cerebral wiring though . on that note, in countries where the age of consent is less than our 16 years does that make persons of those nationalities partaking in sexual activities with persons under 16 years of age paedophiles as their actions are lawful where they reside? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 44 minutes ago, WTF said: is it ?? , i know the act is , not so sure about the cerebral wiring though . on that note, in countries where the age of consent is less than our 16 years does that make persons of those nationalities partaking in sexual activities with persons under 16 years of age paedophiles as their actions are lawful where they reside? It’s a toughie, that one. Andrew and Ms Guifré- legal in UK, but not in her home state in the USA. Legally determined by where the activity took place. And no different to how I found myself as a postgraduate in England, after I had turned 21. Sex legal there, but not here. And paedophilia is not a gender but a sexual attraction to underage people, generally with a larger age gap. And some jurisdictions have age bands where under age sex is not criminalised. What constitutes under age is a mess, both domestically and internationally. Two Manx 16 year olds can have sex legally, be naked together, intimate. But if they take photos, and send them to each other ( no sharing with third parties ) then that’s illegal, because they’re under 18. In Ireland, but no longer in Northern Ireland, age of consent is 17. So, walking 100m across an artificial line on the ground changes the legality, and consequences, of your actions. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 17 minutes ago, WTF said: is it ?? , i know the act is , not so sure about the cerebral wiring though . on that note, in countries where the age of consent is less than our 16 years does that make persons of those nationalities partaking in sexual activities with persons under 16 years of age paedophiles as their actions are lawful where they reside? I suppose it comes down to the definition of paedophile. Is it a legal definition (not sure that there is one) or a psychological definition? Either way, it is behaviour that is considered so deviant that it is made criminal here. But, as you say, by applying a somewhat arbitrary age limit which varies from country to country, and in some countries there may not even be a legislated age at all. I suppose the real difference is the protection of a victim, and a commonly accepted class of victim that requires enhanced protection due to their vulnerability. Is there a victim in other gender scenarios that is not otherwise protected by law? Rape, assault etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxanne Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 44 minutes ago, Gladys said: Now we don't bat an eyelid when a woman introduces herself as 'Ms', 'Miss' or 'Mrs'. And, one day in the future, we won’t bat an eyelid about what someone calls themselves by whatever gender they believe themselves to be, but just like the case you’ve stated and then with the gay ‘revolution’ it’s bloody hard work getting there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 12 minutes ago, Gladys said: Is it a legal definition (not sure that there is one) or a psychological definition? Psychology it is difficult because how do you research it? The only subjects you are likely to have are those who have been arrested and prosecuted. Someone who controls themselves and avoids putting themselves in a situation where sexually harassing or harming a child could occur is very unlikely to voluntarily step forward. There is some evidence to suggest paedophiles have suffered some form of loss or abuse in their childhood. This causes the brain to be wired in an "abnormal" way (not sure how to describe it). If I recall correctly they can also struggle to form emotional bonds with others in a healthy way. It's a very difficult subject bit I would certainly say it is psychological and not a gender. It is absolutely illegal and 100% right to protect children. That said, as John has identified, we as a species are very inconsistent with the law we make around this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 15 minutes ago, manxman1980 said: Psychology it is difficult because how do you research it? The only subjects you are likely to have are those who have been arrested and prosecuted. Someone who controls themselves and avoids putting themselves in a situation where sexually harassing or harming a child could occur is very unlikely to voluntarily step forward. There is some evidence to suggest paedophiles have suffered some form of loss or abuse in their childhood. This causes the brain to be wired in an "abnormal" way (not sure how to describe it). If I recall correctly they can also struggle to form emotional bonds with others in a healthy way. It's a very difficult subject bit I would certainly say it is psychological and not a gender. It is absolutely illegal and 100% right to protect children. That said, as John has identified, we as a species are very inconsistent with the law we make around this. I get in trouble nearly every time I mention this but we also don't do ourselves any favours with having the internet be full of people offering to cave (non-offending) pedophiles heads in. Ideally we want pedophiles to seek help before they act, not force them into hiding so that they never receive that help. If the goal is the fewest number of children harmed, we're going about it the wrong way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Gladys said: Now we don't bat an eyelid when a woman introduces herself as 'Ms', 'Miss' or 'Mrs'. Soon to be joined by ‘Mr’ in this pick and mix gender society we are creating! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 6 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: Soon to be joined by ‘Mr’ in this pick and mix gender society we are creating! Mx…purleese 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 1 minute ago, John Wright said: Mx…purleese That as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anyone Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 If I self identify as a multi millionaire will that nice gov give me a shedload of dosh like , say , a doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 8 hours ago, Anyone said: If I self identify as a multi millionaire will that nice gov give me a shedload of dosh like , say , a doctor. Neither. We will just think you are an obnoxious idiot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 11 hours ago, Anyone said: If I self identify as a multi millionaire will that nice gov give me a shedload of dosh like , say , a doctor. No, but a gullible writer might let you buy a good joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxieover65 Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 At what point does selecting what gender you identify as , start becoming I identify as a different age for example ? That might cause lots of problems in regards to laws . It sounds ridiculous but if you can make up genders you can make up ages and other things . As for transgender people possibly teaching kids or not . As much as I don't like all this gender nonsense let people live their lives how it makes them happy . Who cares . But it works both ways and if someone accidently calls someone a she or a he then get over it . As for the teaching thing , my child learns about Hitler in school and as far as I can tell he hasn't turned into a nazi. Don't understand why anyone's bothered really 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 4 minutes ago, Manxieover65 said: It sounds ridiculous but if you can make up genders you can make up ages and other things . Age is a demonstrable fact, gender isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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