Douglas stinky beach

[Omobono]

the beach was lowered and re profiled many years ago by one of the  Murtagh plant hire brothers , since then little or nothing has been done to  prevent the huge build up of sand and shingle , 

there must be millions of pounds worth of heavy  plant and equipment  at Ellerslie or South Barrule quarry  so a couple of guys and machines on the beach for a week  would make a huge impact on the build up , and push it back from where it has been scoured  

trouble is rather then run a trial  there hell bent on building this silly wall , cant afford to loose face now , all we can hope is some  MHK moves in Tynwald  to stop the scheme going ahead until the DOI satisfy  a committee that all avenues have been fully examined  to find a solution to the scouring  and deposits building up on the beach it could save at least £1 million  ,for a start  

[Non-Believer]

19 minutes ago, Omobono said:

the beach was lowered and re profiled many years ago by one of the  Murtagh plant hire brothers , since then little or nothing has been done to  prevent the huge build up of sand and shingle , 

there must be millions of pounds worth of heavy  plant and equipment  at Ellerslie or South Barrule quarry  so a couple of guys and machines on the beach for a week  would make a huge impact on the build up , and push it back from where it has been scoured  

trouble is rather then run a trial  there hell bent on building this silly wall , cant afford to loose face now , all we can hope is some  MHK moves in Tynwald  to stop the scheme going ahead until the DOI satisfy  a committee that all avenues have been fully examined  to find a solution to the scouring  and deposits building up on the beach it could save at least £1 million  ,for a start  

A chap on Wint's show today suggested spending £10k or so on an experiment to remove surplus sand and shingle as many on here are suggesting. If it doesn't work, we've spent £10k.

If it does work, we don't need millions on a wall.

[The Phantom]

1 hour ago, WTF said:

so what was done to lower the level of the beach ?  i don't recall a wall being built ???

 

1 hour ago, John Wright said:

It’s cyclical, a natural rhythm, up and down, over decades and centuries.

Yeah what John says. You only need to go to other beaches to look at the changes too. Laxey is especially noticable, sometimes the pebbles are really steep and a drop from the wall, other times it's almost level and a smooth incline, then sometimes there's a distinct bank halfway down the beach. Sometimes the rocks near the harbour mouth are exposed, other times covered in sand.

It happens globally in all beaches, not just here. Those banks will create good surfing waves, the banks move around, get steeper, shallower etc. Some years good waves some years bad waves. Can even be seen in decades, old surfers saying stuff like 20 years ago the banks made the waves perfect and never been like that since. Quite a few surfing action groups have stopped developments that would damage waves and other world class waves have been destroyed by harbour developments even miles away effecting currents etc.

Interestingly there seems to be quite a large pebble bank at mid tide in Douglas around the bottom of Broadway I've never noticed before.

Although I was chatting to an old codger a couple of days ago and he was adamant Douglas used to something to lower the pebbles.

Edited November 21, 2023 by The Phantom

[John Wright]

1 hour ago, Non-Believer said:

A chap on Wint's show today suggested spending £10k or so on an experiment to remove surplus sand and shingle as many on here are suggesting. If it doesn't work, we've spent £10k.

If it does work, we don't need millions on a wall.

That it’s back up to high levels after the Murtaghs efforts, shows it’s not a solution. It’s a Forth Road Bridge task. Never ending. Deckchairs on the Titanic.

1 hour ago, Omobono said:

so a couple of guys and machines on the beach for a week  would make a huge impact on the build up , and push it back from where it has been scoured  

For a few days or weeks. But it would come back. And where are they going to put it? It won’t go back to whence it came/was scoured from. 

[Non-Believer]

28 minutes ago, John Wright said:

It’s a Forth Road Bridge task. Never ending. Deckchairs on the Titanic.

Yet DCC Ratepayers have been funding a Forth Road Bridge task since forever just aimlessly moving seaweed around. Channel those funds into regularly removing the sand/shingle instead and use it, for example, in reclamation somewhere else that it is needed?

[Omobono]

2 hours ago, John Wright said:

That it’s back up to high levels after the Murtaghs efforts, shows it’s not a solution. It’s a Forth Road Bridge task. Never ending. Deckchairs on the Titanic.

For a few days or weeks. But it would come back. And where are they going to put it? It won’t go back to whence it came/was scoured from. 

it must be nearly 30 years since murtagh's moved the sand and shingle  its lasted many   years  since then but  No maintenence has been carried out since and the corporation removed the groynes  ,, typical of DOI   no budget for repairs renewals   and maintenence   but plenty for gold plated schemes , .lets see the evidence that moving the sand and shingle back down the beach wont work before paying a contractor to build a wall that might not be  required   or has the deal already been done just like the  sad   promenade affair ,  too late to go back now  and what a mess that has caused   there was also a raised 12 inch  raised reservation    for most of the central area  on the old prom   , between the promenade walkway and the road , they had the street lights   bus shelter  etc on it , it was designed to catch the water and storm deposits and help stop  some of them being washed into the road  , in their wisdom this has not been replaced , and now water washes right accross the road at broadway and the war memorial   , putting this back would also help    

its not rocket science just being practical  and learning from  previous  schemes when people knew what they were doing 

[Fred the shred]

IOM TODAY   The sea wall was mooted in 2018 cost 500 thousand today it has been costed out as 900 thousand apparently cost of materials are to blame in the main.   Who is surprised? No one and they have not even started it yet.   There are bound to be a lot of delays because of the weather especially as the work commences in January it will be over a million I would say by the time it is finished and that is a conservative estimate.   

[Fred the shred]

There are lots of posts on FB regarding the increase in cost ,people are getting a bit tired of these over budget operations.

[CrazyDave]

39 minutes ago, Fred the shred said:

There are lots of posts on FB regarding the increase in cost ,people are getting a bit tired of these over budget operations.

Steel and cement with massive increases since 2018 when they first priced it, the same as labour.

Of course it’s more costly now than they thought then.  What is difficult to understand?

 

[Fred the shred]

More costly yes that is quite understandable but nearly double the original estimate takes it to another level.

[Two-lane]

There was a time when the sand and pebbles could have been shovelled back onto the beach.

There was some discussion here about the new type of drainage on the .prom - old-fashioned drains have been replaced with holes in the kerb stones - and that this system is liable to blocking by sand and small pebbles.

Does this mean that the seawall is now essential?

[The Phantom]

They're lowering the level of the pebbles on Laxey Beach this morning. 

[The Phantom]

Random one. 

I've just seen the trailer for a James Blunt Documentary.  

Quite a bit of it appears to be an interview whilst strolling along Douglas Prom! 

[loaf]

18 minutes ago, The Phantom said:

Random one. 

I've just seen the trailer for a James Blunt Documentary.  

Quite a bit of it appears to be an interview whilst strolling along Douglas Prom! 

 

[CrazyDave]

Spotted on the internet today.

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