Douglas stinky beach

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On 11/21/2023 at 9:06 PM, Non-Believer said:

Yet DCC Ratepayers have been funding a Forth Road Bridge task since forever just aimlessly moving seaweed around. Channel those funds into regularly removing the sand/shingle instead and use it, for example, in reclamation somewhere else that it is needed?

I'd favour that option.

Take the shingle and put it on the Kirk Michael side of things as they seem to have quite an issue with land erosion. Use the seaweed for the land as like that mentioned by the Farm Advisory Service.

WIth a wall, then its only a matter of time before even that is breached and we're back to square one again.

Off shore reefs might work in hindering storms, but I'd stick with removing the shingle and see what happens.

 

[Dirty Buggane]

4 hours ago, CrazyDave said:

Spotted on the internet today.

Posted with no comment.

 

The pipe you are looking at is the drain from the bottom of the vernacular railway that used to run up to the Falcon Cliff. This shows how much the beach has been allowed to build up over the years since the breakwater extension was built. If the beach was dredged ? stones sand removed I doubt there would be much over topping or debris on the prom walkway/road. Before you start shouting the water is still the same depth it would not have a ramp to the roadway level and the return would reduce any power of the waves. The prom is pretty level across the bay and the tide  if ever is level with the walkway from one end to the other by about 2 feet at an exceptional 10 meter + tide and is just a storm surge that makes it overtop.  If cleared this would this would happen less, But no doubt this will be argued till the cows come home and we must build a 5 meter wall due to the fact global warming is causing tide to increase at 17mm every 15 years. (just made the last bit up) But the rest holds truth.

[Capt_Mainwaring]

6 hours ago, Dirty Buggane said:

Before you start shouting the water is still the same depth it would not have a ramp to the roadway level and the return would reduce any power of the waves.

If the beach level is reduced, the waves will reach the wall with much more force thus causing more damage to an old sea wall, railings. It would also throw debris further across the promenade. If the beach level is lowered, ideally steps would need to be put in to reduce the power of the waves. Artificial reef would be useful too.

But essentially nature is only trying to claim back what we stole in the first place as most of this is reclaimed land. 

[TheTeapot]

All the build up against the wall might actually be desirable as it hides what lies behind. May well be that the prom is in worse condition than anyone realises.

[Capt_Mainwaring]

Just now, TheTeapot said:

All the build up against the wall might actually be desirable as it hides what lies behind. May well be that the prom is in worse condition than anyone realises.

Exactly, and lowering the beach to allow more powerful waves to hit it is only going to exacerbate any damage. Look at Gansey, Ramsey. QED.

[John Wright]

This shows most of the options in a wave tank. It’s interesting. Very lucid and clear presentation.

 

[Augustus]

12 hours ago, Dirty Buggane said:

The pipe you are looking at is the drain from the bottom of the vernacular railway that used to run up to the Falcon Cliff. This shows how much the beach has been allowed to build up over the years since the breakwater extension was built. If the beach was dredged ? stones sand removed I doubt there would be much over topping or debris on the prom walkway/road. Before you start shouting the water is still the same depth it would not have a ramp to the roadway level and the return would reduce any power of the waves. The prom is pretty level across the bay and the tide  if ever is level with the walkway from one end to the other by about 2 feet at an exceptional 10 meter + tide and is just a storm surge that makes it overtop.  If cleared this would this would happen less, But no doubt this will be argued till the cows come home and we must build a 5 meter wall due to the fact global warming is causing tide to increase at 17mm every 15 years. (just made the last bit up) But the rest holds truth.

A vernacular funicular?

[WTF]

55 minutes ago, John Wright said:

This shows most of the options in a wave tank. It’s interesting. Very lucid and clear presentation.

 

so we dig the beach out as mentioned a few times already and the recurve is already built into the prom wall as is , it just has to be exposed enough to do its job rather than be buried by the sand and shingle.

Edited December 8, 2023 by WTF

[John Wright]

12 minutes ago, WTF said:

so we dig the beach out as mentioned a few times already and the recurve is already built into the prom wall as is , it just has to be exposed enough to do its job rather than be buried by the sand and shingle.

No. We leave the beach as is, protect the sea wall and make the new wall have a recurve.

There is one problem with a recurve/bull nose. If the wind is blowing strongly and onshore, which is when overtopping occurs and stones get on the road, it exacerbates as the water being recurved and the stones in that water, get blown onto the prom.

[Capt_Mainwaring]

17 minutes ago, WTF said:

the recurve is already built into the prom wall as is , it just has to be exposed enough to do its job rather than be buried by the sand and shingle.

Does it do its job at Summerland end in a S/SWly or other end in a NE/Ely? Still plenty of debris thrown on to the promenade, damage to the walls and railings and the sea wall itself. It's victorian, likely not in the best state of repair now and needs upgrading.

[CrazyDave]

25 minutes ago, Capt_Mainwaring said:

Does it do its job at Summerland end in a S/SWly or other end in a NE/Ely? Still plenty of debris thrown on to the promenade, damage to the walls and railings and the sea wall itself. It's victorian, likely not in the best state of repair now and needs upgrading.

You might be right.

So is piling a bit more concrete on top of a Victorian wall that is not in the best state of repair the right thing to do?

Probably not.  Put a new wall with steps and other relevant means of dispersing the energy in front of the old one.  Don’t build on top of it and ruin the view (and still have waves and debris coming over)

[Capt_Mainwaring]

2 minutes ago, CrazyDave said:

You might be right.

So is piling a bit more concrete on top of a Victorian wall that is not in the best state of repair the right thing to do?

Probably not.  Put a new wall with steps and other relevant means of dispersing the energy in front of the old one.  Don’t build on top of it and ruin the view (and still have waves and debris coming over)

Bloody hell don't go giving them ideas!!!!! We'll have something you can see from space.

[CrazyDave]

20 minutes ago, Capt_Mainwaring said:

Bloody hell don't go giving them ideas!!!!! We'll have something you can see from space.

Like the one they have planned for Ramsey!

[John Wright]

1 hour ago, CrazyDave said:

So is piling a bit more concrete on top of a Victorian wall that is not in the best state of repair the right thing to do?

Is any of the sea wall Victorian?

Clue. No.

[CrazyDave]

3 minutes ago, John Wright said:

Is any of the sea wall Victorian?

Clue. No.

I was going on the post I was replying to, that said it was.

Does anyone really care? Does it really matter in the context of the conversation?

Clue. No