chris Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 The transcripts of the childcare inquiry are published on the government website. I have been reading through them and they paint a picture of an abusive and incompetent social services. There seems to be virtually no public debate about what has been coming out. Why is this? Is nobody much interested or is it what you already knew? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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cheesemonster2005 Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 The transcripts of the childcare inquiry are published on the government website. I have been reading through them and they paint a picture of an abusive and incompetent social services. There seems to be virtually no public debate about what has been coming out. Why is this? Is nobody much interested or is it what you already knew? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I think people do care but that the IOM are so far behind that it's beyond a joke. Remember this is the island where kids can still be jailed and a much larger percentage of children than in Ireland or the UK are in the care of the authorities. Did anything happen after the death of the poor girl who was murdered after spending years inside childrens' homes and a spell in Victoria Road (with a front page appearance on the Daily Mirror)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris Posted August 31, 2005 Author Share Posted August 31, 2005 There are many reasons to care about this, apart from the obvious, and one of those reasons is that the final findings of this inquiry may be so damning that it's recommendations maybe that the Isle of Man is not able to run it's own affairs and a system of direct rule should be introduced from Westminster. Therefore the public should be demanding that public employees get their act together and make sure they are properly qualified and trained and accountable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebees Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 Isn't the child care on the Island 'out sourced'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris Posted August 31, 2005 Author Share Posted August 31, 2005 No, it's chaired by one of your Acting Deemsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 That may be so, but it was certainly a UK childcare agency (Nugent Care?) who were running the care facilities. Prior to that it was NCH Action For Children (also a UK based company). So yes, it was outsourced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris Posted August 31, 2005 Author Share Posted August 31, 2005 I misread it-thought she said wasn't the inquiry outsourced-my mistake. They are outsourced but were supervised by social services. It was their job to hire competent professionals and they failed. It was the system that failed. Any subcontractor is only as good, or bad, as the contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stavros Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 Link? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> LINKS: The Inquiry web site is here OPENING STATEMENT OF ADVOCATE TO THE INQUIRY Day 1 Day 2 Day 3 Day 4 Day 5 Day 6 Day 7 Day 8 Day 9 Day 11 (Can't find day 10, looks like they put in two 11 days! Day 12 Day 13 Day 14 Day 15 Day 16 Day 17 Day 18 Day 19 Day 20 Day 21 Day 22 Day 23 Day 24 Day 25 Day 26 Stav. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesemonster2005 Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 So yes, it was outsourced. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ah, outsourcing. The best way to ruin. Why do local authorities and governments think that it's better to get a private company to run something knowing that they need to make profit and that they (like all private companies) will cut costs wherever possible to maximize this profit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonan3 Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 The transcripts of the childcare inquiry are published on the government website. I have been reading through them and they paint a picture of an abusive and incompetent social services. There seems to be virtually no public debate about what has been coming out. Why is this? Is nobody much interested or is it what you already knew? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Unfortunately, I would say that most of the island's residents are not even aware that they are available - even those who do have internet access. If, perhaps, the local media - especially IoM Newspapers - devoted more intelligent coverage to items such as this, instead of seeking attention-grabbing headlines for stories that are of no more than ephemeral interest, it would help to arouse a greater degree of interest. As for 'out-sourcing,' that degraded relic of the Thatcher era, it's simply a device that allows governments to save a little bit of money and shrug off responsibility when everything goes pear-shaped! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebees Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 Ah, outsourcing. The best way to ruin. Why do local authorities and governments think that it's better to get a private company to run something knowing that they need to make profit and that they (like all private companies) will cut costs wherever possible to maximize this profit? Totally! I think these findings should be un jargoned and put in the public eye - Children in care need care, not someone who is paid to do a job. My friend has read a lot of the report and it sounds really awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 I have real deep seated concerns re child care on the Island. If a child is in care it is because, for whatever reason, the family cannot provide the care. But once they are "in care" it seems that no one then actually takes responsibility for the care, normal disciplines cannot be enoforced. For example, I know that it is routine for a child to be reported to the police as missing if they do not come home at the agreed time etc. This is just an example of the carers abrogating their responsibility to keep control of these children to, in this case, the police. Fear of prosecution is a factor I suppose, and a pendulum swing against the claims for historic abuse in care, the pin down technique etc. Someone needs to a get a grip of the whole system, allow the carers to exercise proper control (soemthing often the parents would not have been able or willing to do) without fear of prosecution and start to really care about these abandoned children! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris Posted September 7, 2005 Author Share Posted September 7, 2005 I guess I have the answer to the question of where is the debate on this issue. Futile debate about gay marriage, snot, horse and plough-but childcare, forget it. No wonder there have been three childcare public inquiries on the Isle of Man in the last ten years. Nobody much cares. The MEA scandal provoked huge responses- maybe because it was financial. Take a look at the the forum figures. Scandalous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ButterflyMaiden Posted September 7, 2005 Share Posted September 7, 2005 ....Futile debate about gay marriage, snot, horse and plough-but childcare, forget it. No wonder there have been three childcare public inquiries on the Isle of Man in the last ten years. Nobody much cares. The MEA scandal provoked huge responses- maybe because it was financial. Take a look at the the forum figures. Scandalous. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Fair comment .. and you could probably look at the international news and wonder why the pornography thread drew so many responses. However, that doesnt mean people dont care ... You might be surprised (or maybe not) to learn that Social Services do not have a legislative framework to follow in the Island. I would place a sizeable bet this situation weighs heavily on the minds of Social Workers in their everyday dealing with child protection ,care of the elderly etc .. and arguably might explain some of the perceived shortcomings in the Island's Social Services. I personally would have thought the introduction of appropriate legislation is an urgent priority for Tynwald and should be dealt with asap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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