HelmutX Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 The fact that MER refused FOI is indicative of a cover up. I know 2 individuals who were on that tram. They both thought the driver was going too fast at the time and the injured woman was the wife/partner of the driver and was sitting up at the front (not sure if that is normally acceptable). These individuals assisted at the scene and were never thanked for their help nor were they ever asked for a witness statement even though the police took all their details. And, to state that the wheels were worn below the allowable limit is indicative of the standards we are expected to accept. All accidents are a result of multiple little things. Going too fast, worn wheels, poor maintenance and a driver that was trying to be a Capt. Francesco Schettino. And no one will be held accountable. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 Given the similar findings concerning maintenance failures in respect of the 2017 runaway SMR tram and now these new revelations, surely some questions need to be asked about exactly what has been going on in the the whole maintenance regime on the moving vehicles of the tram network? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newaccount Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 Dont travel on the electric railway 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 Minister Thomas of the Department of Infrastructure has remained silent on this topic. If it was housing and community board matter, a matter relating to the roads or the airport runway closure then be prepared for in depth interview on the NPM. Railway Health and Safety must be bottom of the pile in terms of priorities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omobono Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 45 minutes ago, 2112 said: Minister Thomas of the Department of Infrastructure has remained silent on this topic. If it was housing and community board matter, a matter relating to the roads or the airport runway closure then be prepared for in depth interview on the NPM. Railway Health and Safety must be bottom of the pile in terms of priorities. question is does he actually know ,or even care whats going on in his department , time the DOI was broken down , its far too big ,and attention to important detail has been lost , 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 1 hour ago, newaccount said: Dont travel on the electric railway You must have seen the Risk Assessment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 Heritage Rail Budget = £19,377,000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallMeCurious Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 21 minutes ago, Happier diner said: You must have seen the Risk Assessment. What Risk Assesment? The one that allowed them to look at the tyre and said "She'll be reet" On the road the driver is responsible for the condtion of the vehicle, in the air pilots do a visual check of the aircraft so how come the driver, and a very senior and experienced railway engineer allegedly, wasn't liable for taking a vehicle out in that condition? And if the person injured wasn't an employee and was seated in the passenger compartment would they have sustained the injuries? IIRC these units have GPS for geolocating features for an audio app to co-ordinate pre-recorded speil about views etc.I wonder if that same sytem can be used to independently show the actual speed (and any braking or acceleration in the leadup) as opposed to a recollection of a driver who has a vested interest in shaving a few mph from their recall and the impression of witnesses uinfamilair with the normal/safe speeds. And there seems to be no more news on the electrocution incidents either. It seems it is going to take an actual fatality to get any meaningful change there, if then. Sadly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, CallMeCurious said: IIRC these units have GPS for geolocating features for an audio app to co-ordinate pre-recorded speil about views etc.I wonder if that same sytem can be used to independently show the actual speed (and any braking or acceleration in the leadup) as opposed to a recollection of a driver who has a vested interest in shaving a few mph from their recall and the impression of witnesses uinfamilair with the normal/safe speeds. They have that ability already. According to the actual report: (Usual idiotic government problem with reports in image-only format). But of course that's the average speed for a section of line and not the maximum within that - and it doesn't assess whether that's the appropriate speed for that particular point on the track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 1 hour ago, CallMeCurious said: On the road the driver is responsible for the condtion of the vehicle, in the air pilots do a visual check of the aircraft so how come the driver, and a very senior and experienced railway engineer allegedly, wasn't liable for taking a vehicle out in that condition? It reportedly used to take a year (or it might have been two 🤔 ) to repaint a tram so it's not like they're not laid up for long enough to allow time for such inspections... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallMeCurious Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Non-Believer said: It reportedly used to take a year (or it might have been two 🤔 ) to repaint a tram so it's not like they're not laid up for long enough to allow time for such inspections... Maybe we shouldn't restore any that are damaged in accidents. Then natural attrition would wind it down or they might actually look after what they have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piebaps Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 Speed wasn't a factor. It didn't cause the derailment and it didn't make it worse - according to the report. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 26 minutes ago, piebaps said: Speed wasn't a factor. It didn't cause the derailment and it didn't make it worse - according to the report. The report that was full of redactions to protect the innocent...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 1 hour ago, piebaps said: Speed wasn't a factor. It didn't cause the derailment and it didn't make it worse - according to the report. That may be so, but there are other factors to consider in that report. The first is that the author's name has been redacted - I find that incredible. The second is the assertion that the driver had 40 years' experience driving trams - the implication is that he had a permanent full-time job driving trams for 40 years, which is clearly not true. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellanvannin2010 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 According to the article on IOM Today the derailment happened at 18.40. On checking the current timetable you should not be passing Ballajora (over a mile south) until 18.43. presumably the car was running ahead of schedule which may suggest going faster than necessary if this was the case. I also find in surprising in that article that when the brakes became rough the motorman did not immediately stop and visually check running gear, I would have done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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