TheTeapot Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 Such a stupid place to have put it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 19 hours ago, Non-Believer said: Remarkable considering that it was built as an all singing, all dancing replacement for an over-crowded, outdated, non-compliant Victoria Rd, commencing less than 20 years ago (2006). Have we really had that much of an increase in jaileable scrotes in that time? No, the opposite if anything. The prison population has been around the 90-100 mark since the move to Jurby and if anything that was a bit lower than the numbers that were at Victoria Road. It was very consistent and rarely went above 100, and then only by a few and not for long. The increase has all happened in the last year only. I'll repeat a Tynwald quote I gave in a previous comment: in April 2023, the Prison population was 90 and had been at or around that level for some time. The [mid-March] figure now stands at 128 prisoners. Last week it was reported as 134. Which why they were moving in portacabins. This is caused by the various drug crackdowns that we've seen in the last year. Because so many of those arrested live in the UK they are unlikely to be bailed and have to be kept in on remand well. Virtue-signalling is expensive for the taxpayer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 1 hour ago, TheTeapot said: Such a stupid place to have put it. Pure NIMBY-ism. Jurby was the only place without wealthy residents who would kick up a fuss. It's always been like that, Victoria Road was built in the fields outside Douglas when it was opened in 1891. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 Is the ankle-bracelet GPS-tracker-type device available here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moghrey Mie Posted May 29 Author Share Posted May 29 4 hours ago, TheTeapot said: Such a stupid place to have put it. Revenge on Alf's father-David Cannan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo2010 Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 4 hours ago, Two-lane said: Is the ankle-bracelet GPS-tracker-type device available here? Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallMeCurious Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 13 hours ago, Two-lane said: The possibilities for expansion seem to be limited: The problem you now have is trying to do building work on a high security site while it is close to capacity. So it won't be as simple as building an extension on an office block. I imagine they'd have to build an internal compound with external access through the outer walls and only connect it through once it was nearly finished and then remove the inner compound and reseal the outer walls. Going up would be a nightmare as the roof will contain all of the services (been up there before it was opened). The current hub and spoke design allows each wing to be controlled so it would need to be raised too. Whatever they come up with will be very expensive. In the US they build modular cell units with services built in and drop them in place like lego bricks which allows for quick expansion. That won't have been considered here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTailT Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 5 hours ago, Roger Mexico said: No, the opposite if anything. The prison population has been around the 90-100 mark since the move to Jurby and if anything that was a bit lower than the numbers that were at Victoria Road. It was very consistent and rarely went above 100, and then only by a few and not for long. The increase has all happened in the last year only. I'll repeat a Tynwald quote I gave in a previous comment: in April 2023, the Prison population was 90 and had been at or around that level for some time. The [mid-March] figure now stands at 128 prisoners. Last week it was reported as 134. Which why they were moving in portacabins. This is caused by the various drug crackdowns that we've seen in the last year. Because so many of those arrested live in the UK they are unlikely to be bailed and have to be kept in on remand well. Virtue-signalling is expensive for the taxpayer. The new chief constable gives me Hot Fuzz Sergeant Angel vibes. Coming out to the countryside locking everyone up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 Another 10 jailed just in the last couple of days... https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/operation-nightjar-another-six-people-jailed-for-cocaine-offences/ Just how full is it in there now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTailT Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 (edited) 1 hour ago, Albert Tatlock said: Another 10 jailed just in the last couple of days... https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/operation-nightjar-another-six-people-jailed-for-cocaine-offences/ Just how full is it in there now? Too full. The temporary huts don't even have utilities yet. Edited June 21 by NoTailT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trueblood Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 I know of one case where sentencing (custodial) has been postponed because there's no room at Jurby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlebushy Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 46 minutes ago, Trueblood said: I know of one case where sentencing (custodial) has been postponed because there's no room at Jurby Can you share the case? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joebean Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 The prison is built from prefabricated concrete that was relatively easy to construct, but still cost around £42m in 2008. The site is large enough to accommodate a further prefabricated unit, which are commonplace in HMPS and it should not be necessary to opt for a bespoke design for Jurby, if extra accommodation is required, now and in the future. It has always been difficult to predict the number of prison places required and the UK experience is that, despite how much science is applied to the predictions, they are always wrong. It should be easier here due to our smaller population but it does not take much of a change in offending, detection and sentencing to skew any prediction. My understanding is that the current prison capacity was designed to cater for the Island’s needs for the foreseeable future, back in the design stage around 2005. Sentencing has not got tougher, in fact the opposite for drug offences, but the number of offenders being dealt with by the courts, plus a likely increase in the number of longer-term sentences being held here will be impacting prison places. Unless there is a radical change in the laws that produce offenders, sentencing and detection rates a longer term solution will be required. Portacabins are a short term option which are completely unsuitable for anything other than prisoners who are close to release and/or Category D. Even then, many compromises to security will be required. Expect more capital expenditure and increased staffing requirements ahead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 2 hours ago, Albert Tatlock said: Another 10 jailed just in the last couple of days... https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/operation-nightjar-another-six-people-jailed-for-cocaine-offences/ Just how full is it in there now? Fucking insane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 13 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: Fucking insane. What is ? Drug dealers being jailed or sentences too low? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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