We bought a boat but can't see what we paid for

[woolley]

1 hour ago, John Wright said:

Which is why I identified what went on between the SNP and Fergusons as cronyism. And there’s no doubt that brexiteer Tories are all deeply involved in cronyism.

And they aren't by any means on their own in that, are they? Still not going to derail the thread by rising to irrelevant provocation that's all been done before.

[Yibble]

Deleted. Pasting JW's curious judgement failed.

Edited July 15, 2023 by Yibble

[Yibble]

1 hour ago, John Wright said:

And there’s no doubt that brexiteer Tories are all deeply involved in cronyism.

All of them? Really? And no doubt at all?

[2112]

Meanwhile some nonsense from the Steam Packet - the Manxman won’t do the night shift - from Gef…….

With the Steam Packet yet to confirm when the Manxman will enter service, the company has said she will only be serving day service to begin with.

The new vessel, built as a replacement for the Ben-my-Chree, will eventually take over the Douglas-Heysham route entirely, but initially will only operate the 8.45am sailing from Douglas to Heysham, and the return sailing at 2.15pm.

While the Ben will continue to do the night service, the chance will be taken for Manxman to give her crew greater opportunity to maximize training and familiarisation as well as to implement operational learnings as they get to know the vessel and her systems.

Passengers booked to travel over the Summer months may see Ben-my-Chree or Manxman as the vessel named on their tickets, however there is no guarantee that Manxman will operate any particular sailing and there may be last minute changes of vessel with no notice.

Managing Director Brian Thomson said: ‘We’ve always been clear Manxman will only enter service when her crew, the shoreside team and regulators are happy she is ready. Getting a brand new vessel up to the exacting standards of safety needed for daily passenger service in the Irish Sea is a complicated task and there are no shortcuts.

‘We’ve got a great team working literally around the clock to have Manxman ready for service, but we’re not going to push for an artificial date. Manxman will be in service when Manxman is ready for service. We fully appreciate the travelling public’s interest in Manxman, and we are just as keen to have her in regular use, welcoming passengers on board. Let me reassure everyone that every effort is being made, but it’s also important to remember Manxman is due to serve the island for the next twenty-plus years so it is worth taking a little time to get everything right at this stage.’

Do the lights work?

[Jarndyce]

4 minutes ago, 2112 said:

the Manxman won’t do the night shift

 

5 minutes ago, 2112 said:

Managing Director Brian Thomson said: (…) ‘We’ve got a great team working literally around the clock’

 

[Alberttwatmunch]

6 minutes ago, 2112 said:

Meanwhile some nonsense from the Steam Packet - the Manxman won’t do the night shift - from Gef…….

With the Steam Packet yet to confirm when the Manxman will enter service, the company has said she will only be serving day service to begin with.

The new vessel, built as a replacement for the Ben-my-Chree, will eventually take over the Douglas-Heysham route entirely, but initially will only operate the 8.45am sailing from Douglas to Heysham, and the return sailing at 2.15pm.

While the Ben will continue to do the night service, the chance will be taken for Manxman to give her crew greater opportunity to maximize training and familiarisation as well as to implement operational learnings as they get to know the vessel and her systems.

Passengers booked to travel over the Summer months may see Ben-my-Chree or Manxman as the vessel named on their tickets, however there is no guarantee that Manxman will operate any particular sailing and there may be last minute changes of vessel with no notice.

Managing Director Brian Thomson said: ‘We’ve always been clear Manxman will only enter service when her crew, the shoreside team and regulators are happy she is ready. Getting a brand new vessel up to the exacting standards of safety needed for daily passenger service in the Irish Sea is a complicated task and there are no shortcuts.

‘We’ve got a great team working literally around the clock to have Manxman ready for service, but we’re not going to push for an artificial date. Manxman will be in service when Manxman is ready for service. We fully appreciate the travelling public’s interest in Manxman, and we are just as keen to have her in regular use, welcoming passengers on board. Let me reassure everyone that every effort is being made, but it’s also important to remember Manxman is due to serve the island for the next twenty-plus years so it is worth taking a little time to get everything right at this stage.’

Do the lights work?

Why is that nonsense?

[Gladys]

Perhaps they have to complete night sailing training before fully operating?   

[kevster]

17 minutes ago, Gladys said:

Perhaps they have to complete night sailing training before fully operating?   

Such a sensible reason can’t be true. It’s obviously some big conspiracy or cockup

[2112]

The Manxman travelled over 10000 miles, presumably sailing at night, or perhaps it called at a port prior to sunset. Or did it drop anchor? Do the crew need additional training for night sailing, when the majority of the crew are already on the Ben which sails 24/7. 

[Alberttwatmunch]

1 minute ago, 2112 said:

The Manxman travelled over 10000 miles, presumably sailing at night, or perhaps it called at a port prior to sunset. Or did it drop anchor? Do the crew need additional training for night sailing, when the majority of the crew are already on the Ben which sails 24/7. 

It would appear so, even if not who cares? They are a business and they should use their assets and staff in the most efficient way that they think is beneficial to the business.

[manxman1980]

7 minutes ago, 2112 said:

The Manxman travelled over 10000 miles, presumably sailing at night, or perhaps it called at a port prior to sunset. Or did it drop anchor? Do the crew need additional training for night sailing, when the majority of the crew are already on the Ben which sails 24/7. 

Well it would only have had a minimal crew when sailing from South Korea to home so not everyone would be familiar with her operations especially when carrying passengers and vehicles. 

The Manxman is also not the same design as the Ben so again the crew will need to become familiar with her operation including familiarity with her layout and emergency systems.

Operating at night and having someone accidentally switch all the lights off whilst trying to locate another control would be rather embarrassing. 

Could you also imagine the uproar if, whilst docking at night, she was to hit the linkspan and potentially make it unoperational?

[Gladys]

12 minutes ago, 2112 said:

The Manxman travelled over 10000 miles, presumably sailing at night, or perhaps it called at a port prior to sunset. Or did it drop anchor? Do the crew need additional training for night sailing, when the majority of the crew are already on the Ben which sails 24/7. 

There were no passengers, only trained crew, who may not have been trained to sail with passengers in board.  In any case, were they all IOMSPCo crew?  Adding passengers surely puts a diffrent risk factor on things?

[Passing Time]

17 minutes ago, 2112 said:

The Manxman travelled over 10000 miles, presumably sailing at night, or perhaps it called at a port prior to sunset. Or did it drop anchor? Do the crew need additional training for night sailing, when the majority of the crew are already on the Ben which sails 24/7. 

did every single crew member travel over on it's journey to the island you balloon knot...

[The Phantom]

I'm amazed that people aren't aware that stuff is generally alot harder in the dark! 

Give them time to get used to her.

[Banker]

31 minutes ago, 2112 said:

The Manxman travelled over 10000 miles, presumably sailing at night, or perhaps it called at a port prior to sunset. Or did it drop anchor? Do the crew need additional training for night sailing, when the majority of the crew are already on the Ben which sails 24/7. 

Do you slag everything off connected with IOMG without thinking, turning into  offshore manc 2 😂