Malik Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 He’s been suffering with depression for decades apparently, something catastrophic has probably happened these last few years. I hope he gets the help he so obviously needs to get his life back on track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 7 hours ago, TheTeapot said: Quite a lot of people out there seemingly defending a 60yr old married man seeking sex with people likely younger than his own kids. Fucking mental. Legally it is fine though and we have all seen the ageing millionaires marrying younger women for decades. It all now comes down to morality and whether there is any coercion in such interactions. I understand why this feels "icky" but what would you put into law to prevent it? Where would we all agree that there should be a limit on the age gap between two consenting adults? In this case it does not appear to be a one off so morally doesn't feel right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 10 hours ago, HeliX said: It isn't though. As you note, coercion should be dealt with "appropriately", but coercion can be active or passive. If I slept with one of my employees, other than justifiably angering the wife, there would be serious concerns over implicit coercion whether it was consensual or not. Let’s assume you are single. To use an old fashioned term you and your employee “ fell in love” with each other. Why deny yourselves a loving relationship just because some people might try and make out you abused your position? Others might say “” oh that’s nice, they make a lovely couple” Obviously it raises other issues for example you would not have to favour ( or be seen to favour) that particular employee in the workplace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newaccount Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 8 hours ago, TheTeapot said: Quite a lot of people out there seemingly defending a 60yr old married man seeking sex with people likely younger than his own kids. Fucking mental. Seeking sex? You seem to know more than anyone else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 It's very hypocritical of the Sun to essentially engineer this scandal. After all, this is the " newspaper" that had no qualms whatsoever in having a photograph of naked sixteen-year-old Samantha Fox on page 3... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offshoremanxman Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 38 minutes ago, P.K. said: It's very hypocritical of the Sun to essentially engineer this scandal. After all, this is the " newspaper" that had no qualms whatsoever in having a photograph of naked sixteen-year-old Samantha Fox on page 3... True. Have they engineered it though? It wouldn’t surprise me if mum and dad saw a few quid in it by trying to sell the story to the Sun in the first place. A leading BBC man has paid our kid for some dirty pics give us fifty grand and we’ll tell you all about the filthy bastard. Then the kid has found out and denied the whole thing in a legal letter to the same paper. It looks like nothing specifically illegal has taken place but that something very poorly judged and unsavory has taken place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 20 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said: A leading BBC man has paid our kid for some dirty pics give us fifty grand and we’ll tell you all about the filthy bastard. There are probably plenty of older men up and down the country who cough up money for dirty pictures. Think Onlyfans or any of the old style web cam girls and who has the disposable income to be able to pay for these. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 29 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said: True. Have they engineered it though? It wouldn’t surprise me if mum and dad saw a few quid in it by trying to sell the story to the Sun in the first place. A leading BBC man has paid our kid for some dirty pics give us fifty grand and we’ll tell you all about the filthy bastard. Then the kid has found out and denied the whole thing in a legal letter to the same paper. It looks like nothing specifically illegal has taken place but that something very poorly judged and unsavory has taken place. I'm sure the Sun saw more than a few quid in it re circulation, adds revenue etc and if you want unsavoury just look to the UK's infamous red-tops... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passing Time Posted July 13, 2023 Author Share Posted July 13, 2023 13 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said: Not at all. When I was seventeen I was seduced by a lady in her thirties or forties ( a la Mrs Robinson). There was no gulf in power and no consent was compromised. I still recall the occasion with fondness even today ! Even if she was twenty years older in her sixties I don’t see the problem. Consent is consent. Obviously any sort of coercion should be dealt with appropriately. However we are getting into dangerous territory if we try to prohibit consensual sexual activity between two people over legal age by setting some sort of arbitrary parameters based merely on how old each are. Must have been some desperate women back then... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 34 minutes ago, manxman1980 said: There are probably plenty of older men up and down the country who cough up money for dirty pictures. Think Onlyfans or any of the old style web cam girls and who has the disposable income to be able to pay for these. I’ve heard it argued it’s more ethical than sites like pornhub. Rather than use a large corp and the potentially exploitative studios the consumer is paying the content maker direct. I’m not sure what I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 22 minutes ago, Declan said: I’ve heard it argued it’s more ethical than sites like pornhub. Rather than use a large corp and the potentially exploitative studios the consumer is paying the content maker direct. I’m not sure what I think. Indeed... Sex workers are often subjected to modern slavery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 1 hour ago, manxman1980 said: There are probably plenty of older men up and down the country who cough up money for dirty pictures. Think Onlyfans or any of the old style web cam girls and who has the disposable income to be able to pay for these. The funny thing is that 'Only Fans' isn't or wasn't created solely for porn. There are many other people on there that create content and can receive payment directly from their 'fans' rather than Youtube or similar taking a massive cut. However, it would be pretty difficult to explain to the wife that your 'Only Fans' payments were for a gardening blog or something! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxanne Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 30 minutes ago, The Phantom said: The funny thing is that 'Only Fans' isn't or wasn't created solely for porn. There are many other people on there that create content and can receive payment directly from their 'fans' rather than Youtube or similar taking a massive cut. However, it would be pretty difficult to explain to the wife that your 'Only Fans' payments were for a gardening blog or something! I’ve no idea what OnlyFans is and I’m too scared to look. I hear it mentioned all the time and so I’m curious Would you fill me in @The Phantom The précis version Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Roxanne said: I’ve no idea what OnlyFans is and I’m too scared to look. I hear it mentioned all the time and so I’m curious Would you fill me in @The Phantom The précis version OK, so it’s basically like Youtube. But rather than creating content that is open to the whole world and you getting paid a pittance for it (unless you’re watched by millions) you attract specific subscribers who will pay you say £10 per month to view your account. So it’s ‘Only (for paying) fans’. Youtube limits and censors quite a lot of stuff, so on OF to some extent; you can say or do what you want. It’s been embraced by and synonymous with adult content creators (various levels of porn) but it’s also used by other creators, such as fashion, music, gardening etc. From the ‘Fans’ point of view, it means that the majority of your payment goes directly to the creator (I’m not sure what cut the OF platform takes, but understand it is small) which I suppose gives you a greater feeling of supporting the artist directly, rather than a big faceless tech corporation. There are other similar sites such as Patreon which seem to be a bit less porny. Edited July 13, 2023 by The Phantom 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarndyce Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 3 hours ago, P.K. said: It's very hypocritical of the Sun to essentially engineer this scandal. Not at all - they’re doing their master’s bidding. Murdoch is always looking for an opportunity to bring the BBC down - and if it keeps the latest UK government disaster off the front page for a few days (and stops speculation about why Johnson’s phone seems to be failing to send messages) then who cares if someone has a breakdown in public? Might have backfired though - attention seems to be swinging from the BBC to the Sun, with respect to reporting standards… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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