Manx Utilities announce plans for onshore renewables

[Roger Mexico]

2 hours ago, Fred the shred said:

In various supermarkets there are always same date products getting offered, what happens to them  at closing time if they are still on the shelves.    I think they are dumped and this has got to be the biggest food waste going.    I think the small plate restaurants are on the right track and hopefully more will follow suit .

Not much same-day stuff seems to be left on the reduced shelves if I'm ever in supermarkets late in the day.  If you look, most of it is dated for tomorrow (or later) and reduced 20-30%.  Anything that is usually dumped with the general rubbish, though it's possible some may end up with charities or even the foodbank.

37 minutes ago, Gladys said:

In days gone past, schools and other big institutions used to have bins for pig swill.  Probably not acceptable now, but that is what I am thinking off, not fresh food. 

Pigswill finally got killed off with the 2001 Foot and Mouth outbreak, which was blamed (never that convincingly) on untreated pigswill, which even then was supposed to be heat-treated.  But use had declined before that.

[HiVibes]

4 hours ago, finlo said:

I think at one time we did take others toxic waste?

English people?

[Andy Onchan]

14 hours ago, Blade Runner said:

I get it that the blades cant be recycled (Not convinced) but if they don't degrade, then what is the harm of putting them underground?

I am not convinced they cant be re used anyway. From what I understand they are a mixture of glass fibre and resin.

Shred them, and add more resin and they could be cast into any weather resistant bit of kit from patio furniture to, well patio furniture.

Anything really that is not structurally critical.

 

Once you've gone past the original purpose for manufacture and use, ie  carbon reduction then virtually anything you do to it (once it outlives it's usefulness) creates even more carbon. It's a circle that's very difficult to break.

[code99]

16 hours ago, Happier diner said:

What plan? 

Feast your eyes on "I am the One and Only" Energy Strategy 2023 - Isle of Man Government:

https://www.gov.im/media/1379841/defa-energy-stratv8-160623_compressed.pdf

A lot to digest with this very complex material and /or understand full costs and consequences. E.g.:

"The household transition to net zero comes with potentially significant benefits in terms of warmer, more comfortable homes that use less energy and take advantage of lower energy costs. The policy challenge is to deliver these improvements for all, while also making the costs associated with change as affordable as possible. Given the need to prioritise a just transition and make the benefits available to all in society, it seems likely that Government will have a significant role to play in terms of funding and creating enabling policies ".

"Estimating whole system costs is challenging. In a UK context, some evidence suggests that renewables end up approximately on a par with gas (prior to current prices),   whereas other studies indicate that they are relatively modest.   Our own Future Energy Scenarios indicate that the whole system costs of more renewable dominated scenarios are more expensive, although they come with fuel savings compared to reliance on fossil fuels".

"We are therefore committed in principle to the installation of a second interconnector and will now begin the detailed process of scoping and business case development".

Edited January 28 by code99

[Happier diner]

17 minutes ago, code99 said:

Feast your eyes on "I am the One and Only" Energy Strategy 2023 - Isle of Man Government:

https://www.gov.im/media/1379841/defa-energy-stratv8-160623_compressed.pdf

A lot to digest with this very complex material and /or understand full costs and consequences. E.g.:

"The household transition to net zero comes with potentially significant benefits in terms of warmer, more comfortable homes that use less energy and take advantage of lower energy costs. The policy challenge is to deliver these improvements for all, while also making the costs associated with change as affordable as possible. Given the need to prioritise a just transition and make the benefits available to all in society, it seems likely that Government will have a significant role to play in terms of funding and creating enabling policies ".

"Estimating whole system costs is challenging. In a UK context, some evidence suggests that renewables end up approximately on a par with gas (prior to current prices),   whereas other studies indicate that they are relatively modest.   Our own Future Energy Scenarios indicate that the whole system costs of more renewable dominated scenarios are more expensive, although they come with fuel savings compared to reliance on fossil fuels".

"We are therefore committed in principle to the installation of a second interconnector and will now begin the detailed process of scoping and business case development".

That's not my plan though. That's the governments plan. 

Can you have more than one strategy? That would be a bad strategy to have more than one strategy.

Edited January 28 by Happier diner

[code99]

54 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

Can you have more than one strategy? 

Of course, the more the merrier – for the IOMG money is no object. I expect consultants (KPMG, PwC, etc) are salivating in anticipation…  😋

[Non-Believer]

It's always advisable to have a Plan B just in case Plan A turns out to be flawed.

If we had had a Plan B in Liverpool for instance, rather than Plan A at any cost.

[Max Power]

1 hour ago, code99 said:

Feast your eyes on "I am the One and Only" Energy Strategy 2023 - Isle of Man Government:

https://www.gov.im/media/1379841/defa-energy-stratv8-160623_compressed.pdf

A lot to digest with this very complex material and /or understand full costs and consequences. E.g.:

"The household transition to net zero comes with potentially significant benefits in terms of warmer, more comfortable homes that use less energy and take advantage of lower energy costs. The policy challenge is to deliver these improvements for all, while also making the costs associated with change as affordable as possible. Given the need to prioritise a just transition and make the benefits available to all in society, it seems likely that Government will have a significant role to play in terms of funding and creating enabling policies ".

"Estimating whole system costs is challenging. In a UK context, some evidence suggests that renewables end up approximately on a par with gas (prior to current prices),   whereas other studies indicate that they are relatively modest.   Our own Future Energy Scenarios indicate that the whole system costs of more renewable dominated scenarios are more expensive, although they come with fuel savings compared to reliance on fossil fuels".

"We are therefore committed in principle to the installation of a second interconnector and will now begin the detailed process of scoping and business case development".

Quite frankly a lot of this is lies, the chairman of Siemens has said that energy bills will have to rise dramatically to pay for the chase to net zero! He should bloody well know! 

It's already happening, the cost of gas is as low as it was ten years ago, but our gas bills are twice what they were ten years ago, how does that work then?

All this green technology is manufactured and installed by foreign companies, where are our green jobs? More bloody lies, why are we expected to believe lies. This whole net zero fiasco is a huge con, it's stealing your money to pay for a completely misguided approach to reducing CO2 levels.

[finlo]

3 minutes ago, Max Power said:

Quite frankly a lot of this is lies, the chairman of Siemens has said that energy bills will have to rise dramatically to pay for the chase to net zero! He should bloody well know! 

It's already happening, the cost of gas is as low as it was ten years ago, but our gas bills are twice what they were ten years ago, how does that work then?

All this green technology is manufactured and installed by foreign companies, where are our green jobs? More bloody lies, why are we expected to believe lies. This whole net zero fiasco is a huge con, it's stealing your money to pay for a completely misguided approach to reducing CO2 levels.

That's alright at least the usual suspects will be getting fatter off the back of us.

[Non-Believer]

[Mercenary]

6 minutes ago, Max Power said:

Quite frankly a lot of this is lies, the chairman of Siemens has said that energy bills will have to rise dramatically to pay for the chase to net zero! He should bloody well know! 

It's already happening, the cost of gas is as low as it was ten years ago, but our gas bills are twice what they were ten years ago, how does that work then?

All this green technology is manufactured and installed by foreign companies, where are our green jobs? More bloody lies, why are we expected to believe lies. This whole net zero fiasco is a huge con, it's stealing your money to pay for a completely misguided approach to reducing CO2 levels.

Ah yes but it's primary legislation so it would be illegal not to spend hundreds of millions extra chasing one area's policy whims

[Happier diner]

55 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

It's always advisable to have a Plan B just in case Plan A turns out to be flawed.

If we had had a Plan B in Liverpool for instance, rather than Plan A at any cost.

A strategy is not a plan. A strategy can have a plan B. But you only ever have one strategy. You can change a strategy.

[code99]

1 hour ago, Non-Believer said:

It's always advisable to have a Plan B just in case Plan A turns out to be flawed.

If we had had a Plan B in Liverpool for instance, rather than Plan A at any cost.

I agree with you – in principle.

The real failure of the Liverpool project was to not understand enough about the issues, which the project would encounter before the project began. They had multiple opportunities to halt the project as they went along. The option of pulling out of the project was part of Plan A. Even when they confronted serious problems and mounting costs, they chose to continue.  

In comparison, various Energy Plans for the Island will all be infinitely more multifaceted and vastly difficult project(s). A complicating factor is that it is highly likely that the technical advisors/ consultants would not be fully across all of the potential political and economic issues facing the Island. It will probably be left up to the next IOM Administration to make decisions and choose the ‘optimum’ strategy.

My view is that before commissioning any more ‘strategies’, the IOMG should wait and see the results of the upcoming UK GE. This UK GE could make a profound difference to the way forward not only for the UK but for us too.  

Edited January 28 by code99
typo

[Moghrey Mie]

1 hour ago, Max Power said:

Quite frankly a lot of this is lies, the chairman of Siemens has said that energy bills will have to rise dramatically to pay for the chase to net zero! He should bloody well know! 

It's already happening, the cost of gas is as low as it was ten years ago, but our gas bills are twice what they were ten years ago, how does that work then?

All this green technology is manufactured and installed by foreign companies, where are our green jobs? More bloody lies, why are we expected to believe lies. This whole net zero fiasco is a huge con, it's stealing your money to pay for a completely misguided approach to reducing CO2 levels.

You could ask the people of Port Talbot "where are our green jobs?' The UK has failed to invest in new technology and new jobs.

The Isle of Man College doesn't even train students to fit solar panels or air source heat pumps apparently.

[Andy Onchan]

Who on here believes that the wind turbines at Earystane and the commissioning of up to 10MW of solar panels deployed across public estate (including both buildings and car parks) will actually happen?