Manx Utilities announce plans for onshore renewables

[WTF]

49 minutes ago, asitis said:

Please god let them get something right once, just once, not too much to ask is it ?

way too much unfortunately

[Kopek]

24 minutes ago, Gladys said:

Hadn't the investor money been returned?  Who knows if they will be prepared to stump up again?

 

So they say     and    why wouldn't they?

Probably just put in their back pocket for now.

What money they have handed over would be a small amount, not the full amount to get the scheme off the ground?

[2112]

The NPM has a news article regarding MUAs big showpiece announcement of onshore solar farms and wind farms/turbines. Yet Tim Crookall has stated that ‘they can’t put a price tag on the cost and it’s too early to determine the cost’. It’s this sort of nonsense that has cost the island dearly financially. Or a the politicos, green brigade, Daffy and Civil Servants saying that money is no object, whatever you want you will get? 
 

It’s completely nonsense to suggest that estimates couldn’t have been calculated as a rough idea, and the usual ‘Manx’ factored in. Maybe the MUA and it’s civil servants are lazy and don’t want to do the work, but bask in the reflective glow of announcements of how good they are?

[asitis]

4 minutes ago, 2112 said:

can’t put a price tag on the cost and it’s too early to determine the cost’

Jesus Christ a flagship announcement without any idea of costs ! Liverpool anyone !

How piss poor do we have to get before someone gets a grip ! I hope when the numbskulls we elect get to vote on this it is not an open ended contract.

Daphne will be making fairy rings and staring at butterflies whilst the island finances go to hell.

FFS

Edited July 19, 2023 by asitis

[2112]

When these type of announcements are made, it should be as a matter of routine - a rough costed estimated figure so the public have an idea as to the financial costs. Does anyone seriously think if IOMG can’t give a rough figure as to coatings, the GMP will be fully supportive? It’s not only Liverpool all over again, but could be open to MUA purchasing other big ticket items/schemes without express authorisation and lumping it in with wind farms etc. Haven’t we been there before?

[asitis]

2 minutes ago, 2112 said:

When these type of announcements are made, it should be as a matter of routine - a rough costed estimated figure so the public have an idea as to the financial costs. Does anyone seriously think if IOMG can’t give a rough figure as to coatings, the GMP will be fully supportive? It’s not only Liverpool all over again, but could be open to MUA purchasing other big ticket items/schemes without express authorisation and lumping it in with wind farms etc. Haven’t we been there before?

We can only pray that Proffit isn't allowed to be sniffing around this ! Surely we can't be that daft.

[Jarndyce]

4 minutes ago, 2112 said:

When these type of announcements are made, it should be as a matter of routine - a rough costed estimated figure so the public have an idea as to the financial costs.

From experience, if anyone were to present a business case for anything at Nobles (a new service, a new drug, a new piece of equipment, a new type of mop head) you wouldn’t get past go if you missed out the costing.   It wouldn’t be taken seriously as a business case - it would be handed back with “add the costings and stop wasting my time”.   I’m sure it would be the same in other IOMG departments.   Maybe it’s just SERIOUSLY HUGE costs that we can brush aside.

Just because you’ve written down an idea, that doesn’t make it a business case.   Bizarre.

[Omobono]

sorry but I fear another disaster looming ,there should be nothing decided until the costs including all projected  repair and maintenance  costs are included in the scheme ,

we seem to be great at Capital schemes , but never seem to provide  money or plans   for long term repairs or renewals 

could not believe Crookall's wishy washy statement yesterday  so  un professional , 

 

 

[Bombay Bad Boy]

41 minutes ago, asitis said:

the numbskulls we elect

We can elect the most hardworking, competent MHKS, but they're at the mercy of unelected, unaccountable CS

[2112]

As is Manx tradition that is buying things which are totally useless and wasting money like rail tracks for the Promenade. Have MUA bought wind turbines or equipment which is totally unsuitable for the IOM? 

[2112]

12 minutes ago, Bombay Bad Boy said:

We can elect the most hardworking, competent MHKS, but they're at the mercy of unelected, unaccountable CS

That statement should never have been made without an idea of the costs. Maybe these statements are being made to bury bad news or to deflect from calamitous actions of CM Cannan?

[Moghrey Mie]

It's a pity they have wasted so much time.

https://www.isleofman.com/news/view/21951914

[Mercenary]

1 hour ago, Jarndyce said:

From experience, if anyone were to present a business case for anything at Nobles (a new service, a new drug, a new piece of equipment, a new type of mop head) you wouldn’t get past go if you missed out the costing.   It wouldn’t be taken seriously as a business case - it would be handed back with “add the costings and stop wasting my time”.   I’m sure it would be the same in other IOMG departments.   Maybe it’s just SERIOUSLY HUGE costs that we can brush aside.

Just because you’ve written down an idea, that doesn’t make it a business case.   Bizarre.

They obviously have costing estimates they just don't want a number bandied around for the rest of time as ''it was meant to cost X'' regardless of what actual scope gets put forward into construction.

[Roger Mexico]

36 minutes ago, 2112 said:

That statement should never have been made without an idea of the costs. Maybe these statements are being made to bury bad news or to deflect from calamitous actions of CM Cannan?

I think it's got more to do with the MUA realising that they are supposed to have produced some sort of plans for renewable energy and suddenly announcing something last minutes in the hope that Tynwald members won't complain before vanishing for their three month holiday.  As usual a proper look at the press release will show how completely vacuous the 'plans' they have come up with are:

Plans to build a wind farm capable of delivering around a third of the Isle of Man’s electricity needs by 2026 are on schedule. 

Manx Utilities updated the Council of Ministers last week and outlined potential sites for the 20MW windfarm, alongside plans to install 10 Megawatts of solar on public buildings. It means the Isle of Man remains on course to deliver 40MW of renewable energy by 2026. 

The potential windfarm sites are - Sulby and Druidale in the north of the island and Earystane and Scards in the south. A final decision will be announced at the end of the summer following the completion of further environmental and technical appraisals. 

Meanwhile, 30 sites - including the National Sport Centre, Noble’s Hospital and the Sea Terminal - have been identified as suitable for solar installations. During the initial phase, three will be implemented, making use of roof space and car parks with the aim of minimizing any ecological impact. 

So basically they've come up with a list of windy places and list of big buildings.  It must have taken the work experience kid at least 30 minutes.  From which renewable energy projects magically will be planned, approved, built and running in three years.  It's not just that it's rubbish, it's such obvious, insulting rubbish that even Tynwald members should know that they are being insulted by it.  But they probably look at the illustration, which appears to be from a 1960's Ladybird book and think that's what they're going to get.

[2112]

In the meantime with the almighty rush to plaster solar panels everywhere, are any of the new buildings by the Manx Development Corporation going to have solar panels on the roofs, especially the old Nurses Home, which is having an all singing and dancing glass roof? What about the new Nursing Home on Victoria Road(ex Glenside), has that been fitted with solar panels and all the latest energy saving equipment? Could they not fit solar panels on Salisbury Street Nursing Home seeing as this is publicly owned?