Is the Isle of Man Government becoming despotic?

[Cueey Lewis And The News]

6 minutes ago, Two-lane said:

I still do not understand how Moulton publishing data will prevent people from attending the review. If they are concerned they  they can be identified, they will know that Moulton will publish after the review is released.

And as far as Mouton is concerned, in the words of some Hollywood film: "He's the best of what's left".

It will be the typical civil servant thing of not wanting to be accountable and using any excuse not to provide information. So Moulton’s investigations were probably a convenient excuse to cite for some people not wanting to do something. It looks to me that she’s tried to manage the situation in a proactive way that’s now bounced back on her. But there are only two people who know what was said on the phone. That’s her and PM. She at least seems to have tried to cover her back by trying to get a mutually agreed press release out as a record of what was agreed. 

[Ringy Rose]

On 11/7/2023 at 1:01 PM, piebaps said:

Dr Ranson attempted to brief CoMin that the borders should be closed but was prevented from doing so (allegedly).

Dr Ranson primarily struggled with the idea that her opinion was just one of many, and that her concerns weren’t the only things Comin had to consider when making decisions.

That’s not to say how she was subsequently treated by Kathryn Magson was anything other than utterly disgraceful.

Look at the meltdown when the borders did eventually close. Fury because people stranded for weeks without money. Fury about the armed police escorts to the Comis. 

I don’t know why Moulton is choosing to die on this hill. There are a lot of people who think Comin massively overreacted by shutting the border when they did, never mind doing it sooner.

[Two-lane]

Within the files made available by Moulton, is the statement that Caldric Randall and Jane Poole Wilson are the Isle of Man Government Sponsors of the Review.

What does the word sponsor mean in this context?

 

[Barlow]

Janie's hubby works for Cains advocates. The big boys.

[Billy the Kid]

I noticed that Alf could not bring himself to address Dr Ranson with her title in the letter to the paper today, says it all to me.

Edited November 8, 2023 by Billy the Kid
Pardon me for my typo

[Mongoose-Man]

13 minutes ago, Billy the Kid said:

I noticed that Alf could not bring himself to address Dr Ransom with her title in the letter to the paper today, says it all to me.

At least he spelt it right.

[Billy the Kid]

16 minutes ago, Mongoose-Man said:

At least he spelt it right.

Thank you so much for pointing my typo out, the sentiment still stands though.

[Mongoose-Man]

1 hour ago, Billy the Kid said:

Thank you so much for pointing my typo out, the sentiment still stands though.

Not sure what title you’re referring to?The only reference to Dr Ranson in the letter that I can see is in the title of the tribunal case. If that’s what your referring to, it’s the title of the case, so unlikely to be a deliberate discourtesy.

[Billy the Kid]

17 minutes ago, Mongoose-Man said:

Not sure what title you’re referring to?The only reference to Dr Ranson in the letter that I can see is in the title of the tribunal case. If that’s what your referring to, it’s the title of the case, so unlikely to be a deliberate discourtesy.

His letter was in response to professor Phillip Banfield’s letter which amongst other things referred to the case of Dr Ranson v Department of Health and Social Care. 

[Cueey Lewis And The News]

6 hours ago, Ringy Rose said:

Dr Ranson primarily struggled with the idea that her opinion was just one of many, and that her concerns weren’t the only things Comin had to consider when making decisions.

That’s not to say how she was subsequently treated by Kathryn Magson was anything other than utterly disgraceful.

Equally the belief that we had absolutely no covid in the IOM before the date a PowerPoint presentation happened is fanciful to say the least. If there were people refusing to take part because of PMs activities then they probably used the excuse that they did so as he was trying to pin blame for nursing home deaths on people. The fact is it was unlikely that we didn’t already have covid circulating in the community by that weekend, and even if there was a small delay in closing the borders that was perfectly to be expected as it was a once in 100 years decision that had to be made that had to take into account a number of factors that were outside of public health. 

[Mongoose-Man]

29 minutes ago, Billy the Kid said:

His letter was in response to professor Phillip Banfield’s letter which amongst other things referred to the case of Dr Ranson v Department of Health and Social Care. 

That’s not how it is listed by the tribunal.

[Ringy Rose]

10 hours ago, Cueey Lewis And The News said:

Equally the belief that we had absolutely no covid in the IOM before the date a PowerPoint presentation happened is fanciful to say the least.

Absolutely. I have family across who caught Covid during a skiing trip to Italy at February half-term in 2020. I know people who are adamant they had it before Christmas 2019, as either they’d been to China or they’d been with people who had been to China. Covid will have been here.

And when the borders did get shut with barely any warning, look at the significant harm it caused people who couldn’t get back.

Edited November 9, 2023 by Ringy Rose

[Cueey Lewis And The News]

3 hours ago, Ringy Rose said:

Absolutely. I have family across who caught Covid during a skiing trip to Italy at February half-term in 2020. I know people who are adamant they had it before Christmas 2019, as either they’d been to China or they’d been with people who had been to China. Covid will have been here.

And when the borders did get shut with barely any warning, look at the significant harm it caused people who couldn’t get back.

It’s where I think Paul is crackers going down this route. His whole purpose seems to be to try to prove that people were “killed” because other people ignored Ranson’s warnings. But it’s fairly clear that Covid was already here and circulating no matter when we actually closed the borders. When you try to suggest people are “killing” people then rightly they are going to be cautious about anything they might ultimately say to the review. 

[Two-lane]

On 7/27/2023 at 11:17 AM, Roger Mexico said:

One interesting thing about Moulton's report is the behaviour of Cannan in circulating a letter to all Tynwald members, claiming he knew nothing about it and that he approves anyway

Does anyone have a link to this letter? In the data uploaded by Moulton is what appears to be this letter, but it is not explicitly identified as such.

[woolley]

I'd like to know what the hell this is going to achieve along with the parallel nonsense going on in the UK, other then to line the pockets of lawyers with even more taxpayers' money in addition to the billions spent during the pandemic itself. The whole of humanity was blindsided by it. Nobody had a clue what they were doing, and even now there is no general agreement about what should have been the optimum strategy. The conclusions will be equally contentious and meaningless because it's more about score settling than anything else.

Move on.