Is the Isle of Man Government becoming despotic?

[ptarmigan]

Have to kind of agree with John Wright.  Paul obviously has a good source at the moment....but he's not always the most balanced.....

[John Wright]

6 minutes ago, Roxanne said:

Possibly,but realistically,they’ve just hit him with a SLAPP so he’s fairly obviously hit them hard enough, for now  

What I would say is that if his presentation was more polished then it would gain more traction and more followers and that would attract more attention from further afield perhaps? 
 

 

Except that, if what he is publishing is defamatory ( and if untrue it clearly is seriously defamatory of identifiable employees of DHSC ) then there is nothing wrong with telling him to stop, not repeat, or face proceedings. That’s not necessarily a SLAPP. That’s best practice.

Like so many things we just don’t know.

[NoTailT]

47 minutes ago, John Wright said:

He isn’t an investigative journalist. He’s become the go to for every conspiracy theorist, malcontent, person with axe to grind or those washed up has been who crave attention. He presents it all totally uncritically.

At best, and worst, he’s an enabler for those who think they’ve been disenfranchised. That’s really dangerous for society.

Ive no idea whether the claims of Zandra Lewis are true. The correct place for them to be made now is in the covid enquiry. PM didn’t question whether her view was balanced or arises out of a sense of unjustified grievance as to the closure of the home and the death of residents and her loss of employment. 

She used to be a shareholder and got a £1mln + payout to buy her shareholding after all the COVID fiasco. Im not sure she's too bitter.

[Shake me up Judy]

17 minutes ago, NoTailT said:

She used to be a shareholder and got a £1mln + payout to buy her shareholding after all the COVID fiasco. Im not sure she's too bitter.

Have you asked her ?

[Weliveinhope]

If indeed she did have a breakdown and try to end her life twice (and I have no reason to doubt her), she'd be pretty stupid to put out an interview like that if she wasnt sure of her facts?

[Roxanne]

1 hour ago, John Wright said:

He isn’t an investigative journalist. He’s become the go to for every conspiracy theorist, malcontent, person with axe to grind or those washed up has been who crave attention. He presents it all totally uncritically.

At best, and worst, he’s an enabler for those who think they’ve been disenfranchised. That’s really dangerous for society.

Ive no idea whether the claims of Zandra Lewis are true. The correct place for them to be made now is in the covid enquiry. PM didn’t question whether her view was balanced or arises out of a sense of unjustified grievance as to the closure of the home and the death of residents and her loss of employment. 

One question. 

Without him, who would you suggest take’s this up? Investigative journalist or not. 

[Josem]

Is there a copy of this alleged letter to Moulton published somewhere?

I don't understand how people can comment on the substance of the alleged IOM Government behaviour here without more details as to what they've allegedly written. I can imagine reasonable circumstances for such alleged legal letters and I can imagine unreasonable circumstances for such alleged letters. The difference depends on the details.

I feel that it is normal for professional journalists to publish appropriate details and provide documentation to support claims that they made of this nature - this would help the audience comprehend the specifics of what has actually happened.

[Roger Mexico]

5 minutes ago, Josem said:

Is there a copy of this alleged letter to Moulton published somewhere?

I don't understand how people can comment on the substance of the alleged IOM Government behaviour here without more details as to what they've allegedly written. I can imagine reasonable circumstances for such alleged legal letters and I can imagine unreasonable circumstances for such alleged letters. The difference depends on the details.

I feel that it is normal for professional journalists to publish appropriate details and provide documentation to support claims that they made of this nature - this would help the audience comprehend the specifics of what has actually happened.

Because if Moulton published a letter saying "You must not make allegations about [X] or we will take legal action", he would effectively be triggering legal action by publicising allegations about [X].  Remember the whole point about SLAPP suits is to "silence critics by burdening them with the cost of a legal defense until they abandon their criticism or opposition".  So you don't want to give them any excuse.

[NoTailT]

36 minutes ago, Josem said:

Is there a copy of this alleged letter to Moulton published somewhere?

I don't understand how people can comment on the substance of the alleged IOM Government behaviour here without more details as to what they've allegedly written. I can imagine reasonable circumstances for such alleged legal letters and I can imagine unreasonable circumstances for such alleged letters. The difference depends on the details.

I feel that it is normal for professional journalists to publish appropriate details and provide documentation to support claims that they made of this nature - this would help the audience comprehend the specifics of what has actually happened.

I think it’d also be helpful if MTPA declared its funders.

I can’t take criticism of Moulton seriously from Hoopers pen pal.

Edited July 20, 2023 by NoTailT

[Zarley]

Oh look at you, Josem, commenting on someone else not providing the receipts, as it were. You're quite the "do as I say, not as I do" kinda guy are you not. FFS

[cissolt]

31 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

Because if Moulton published a letter saying "You must not make allegations about [X] or we will take legal action", he would effectively be triggering legal action by publicising allegations about [X].  Remember the whole point about SLAPP suits is to "silence critics by burdening them with the cost of a legal defense until they abandon their criticism or opposition".  So you don't want to give them any excuse.

Why is calin wild issuing the slapp and not the ag?  Is it still related to the Ranson saga if the AG is conflicted?

[Josem]

27 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

Because if Moulton published a letter saying "You must not make allegations about [X] or we will take legal action", he would effectively be triggering legal action by publicising allegations about [X].  Remember the whole point about SLAPP suits is to "silence critics by burdening them with the cost of a legal defense until they abandon their criticism or opposition".  So you don't want to give them any excuse.

Surely it has got to be possible to discuss such issues of public interest in greater detail than what has been discussed so far. In the absence of any detail or specifics, it is difficult to know whether Paul's characterisation is fair and accurate.

28 minutes ago, Zarley said:

Oh look at you, Josem, commenting on someone else not providing the receipts, as it were. You're quite the "do as I say, not as I do" kinda guy are you not. FFS

I'm very proud to routinely provide documentation to substantiate my claims, such as:

• Publishing documentation to prove that the recent Russian coup leader's plane was Manx.
• Photographs proving that drag performances took place at a Manx school
• A Legislative Council candidate made previously unpublished donations to a Member of the House of Keys
• A man was lost overboard from a Manx-registered ship last year
• The Isle of Man Government falsely claimed that Russian aircraft were sanctioned from the Isle of Man, two weeks before they actually were.
• The Isle of Man was a weird outlier on suicide rates during the pandemic period.
• That part of the collapse of Greensill Capital in 2021 was linked to the Isle of Man
• Photographs of Manx Care Executive Management Team Meeting in person during lockdown, despite Manx Care's attempt to destroy the photographs.

I don't think that any of the legacy media outlets in the Isle of Man have even reported on more than a couple of these things despite the obvious evidence and documentation provided.

[Zarley]

What about your own MTPA receipts, Josem? Get away with your blatant whataboutery. "Do as I say...", eh Josem? 🤡

[Two-lane]

1 hour ago, Roger Mexico said:

Because if Moulton published a letter saying "You must not make allegations about [X] or we will take legal action", he would effectively be triggering legal action by publicising allegations about [X].  Remember the whole point about SLAPP suits is to "silence critics by burdening them with the cost of a legal defense until they abandon their criticism or opposition".  So you don't want to give them any excuse.

Even a redacted version?

[Roger Mexico]

30 minutes ago, cissolt said:

Why is calin wild issuing the slapp and not the ag?  Is it still related to the Ranson saga if the AG is conflicted?

Well Moulton's tweet referred to "gatekeeper civil servants" which may be a reference to those who prevented Ranson's advice going to CoMin.  This was from memory a committee of Randall, Davies, Greenhow, Magson and Lewin, though of course it would only need a majority of those to block the advice.  So it's probably Ranson-related, but it may just be easier to use a private law firm for this sort of thing anyway - they're less likely to ask questions.