John Wright Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 29 minutes ago, Banker said: Very surprised you’re not blaming DBC like you do for everything else 😂 That post coming from you. Surprised you haven’t accused them of being holidaying teachers on second jobs. 16 minutes ago, Manx Bean said: Foot passengers booked into the Executive Club lounge possibly? You can’t book the Exec Club lounge 3 minutes ago, WTF said: more likely they own the van and it is their own business. It’ll be the gang masters vehicle. But you raise an interesting point. If it’s a business, like, say, prostitution, they should be taxed, paying NI, have a non resident traders or hawkers licence. Of course work permits have been suspended, otherwise they’re need one of those. 22 minutes ago, Gladys said: Do you know if they come as foot passengers or are they stowaways in vans and lorries? If it was like the last lot, the gang master brought them over in his van, and they were sleeping in it. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twitch Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 8 minutes ago, WTF said: more likely they own the van and it is their own business. They were no doubt attracted here having visited the Locate IOM website. Surely these are the kind of enterprising immigrants that DfE are after? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 Why did the police want 4 translators? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 As it's a business the van should be charged as freight. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo2010 Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: Why did the police want 4 translators? I'm guessing there were 4 arrested so they would need a translator for each one so not to have any conflict of interests, its the same with Advocates if 2 people are arrested for the same offence then different Advocates need to be used. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: Why did the police want 4 translators? I guess it would be to do with 4 arrested and to Interview them separately so they can get a true idea as to what was going on. Also Police would have no idea if they were getting the truth and not knowing for sure the interpreters could be trusted. Am sure they could be but…. Also in interviewing separately they will more likely to get truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 10 minutes ago, finlo said: As it's a business the van should be charged as freight. Vans are charged as freight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: Why did the police want 4 translators? They will be wanting to check if any were held against their will etc, so will have need to separate them and interview them apart. Presumably they can't use same translator for both sides for fear of evidence contamination. Whether they got four Romanian translators is another matter. The Isle of Man seems to specialise in Bulgarians (426 in Census) rather than Romanians (226). In that it's different from England and Wales where: Those who listed Romania as their country of birth increased to 539,000 in 2021, from 80,000 in 2011, an increase between censuses of 459,000 (576%), making Romania the fourth most common non-UK country of birth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, thommo2010 said: I'm guessing there were 4 arrested so they would need a translator for each one so not to have any conflict of interests, its the same with Advocates if 2 people are arrested for the same offence then different Advocates need to be used. 2 minutes ago, Numbnuts said: I guess it would be to do with 4 arrested and to Interview them separately so they can get a true idea as to what was going on. Also Police would have no idea if they were getting the truth and not knowing for sure the interpreters could be trusted. Am sure they could be but…. Also in interviewing separately they will more likely to get truth. Imagine you were a romanian responding to a call from the police for a translator only to be told you can only be used once cos you cant be trusted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: Imagine you were a romanian responding to a call from the police for a translator only to be told you can only be used once cos you cant be trusted. I get why you say that but that’s not really what I’m saying. Police can’t speak Romanian and don’t know but in many languages they don’t translate totally. So it’s open to the translators interpretation of what they’re told. Am sure as they volunteered they would have been fine and fair play for the 4 volunteering to help our police . And the 4 would be I imagine so no collusion can happen if interview together. Edited July 23, 2023 by Numbnuts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo2010 Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: Imagine you were a romanian responding to a call from the police for a translator only to be told you can only be used once cos you cant be trusted. Yeah that wouldn't be said but if the offences get to court and the defence advocate raises it then it might get chucked out then no doubt people would then be moaning saying how could the police be so stupid etc etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 12 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: Why did the police want 4 translators? 3 minutes ago, thommo2010 said: I'm guessing there were 4 arrested so they would need a translator for each one so not to have any conflict of interests, its the same with Advocates if 2 people are arrested for the same offence then different Advocates need to be used. 2 minutes ago, Numbnuts said: I guess it would be to do with 4 arrested and to Interview them separately so they can get a true idea as to what was going on. Also Police would have no idea if they were getting the truth and not knowing for sure the interpreters could be trusted. Am sure they could be but…. Also in interviewing separately they will more likely to get truth. Clearly advocates can’t represent two, or more, people arrested for the same thing. It causes conflict. Imagine one blames the other. You’ve got a duty of confidentiality and the client has privilege. You can’t tell the other. Go and see the other and you’ve got a duty of candour to the other to disclose everything you know relevant to the case. You must tell them what the first one said, but you can’t. Translators have no duty of confidence and are not caught by privilege. Same as appropriate adults. They can listen to what client says and advice Advocate gives and go tell the officers. Or they can pass messages between detained persons, setting up a false narrative, or impeding enquiries. There are certain groups where this is perceived as a higher risk, so separate translators can limit this. Of course it might just be practical and pragmatic to allow advocates to advise and officers to interview concurrently, in parallel, rather than one after the the other. Speeds up the process. Maybe a bit of both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 30 minutes ago, Numbnuts said: Too organized and blatantly an attempted effort to gain funds through the unfortunate begging of the people dumped onto the street in Douglas. Not organised enough to understand that a beggar on the streets of the IOM will quickly come to the attention of the police; no other beggars to blend in with. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxanne Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 33 minutes ago, John Wright said: That post coming from you. Surprised you haven’t accused them of being holidaying teachers on second jobs. 🤣 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 18 minutes ago, John Wright said: Vans are charged as freight Although not recently I've taken vans dozens of times non freight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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