Moghrey Mie Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Cambon said: Actually, the whole area was volcanic millions of years ago. Geothermal would definitely work. However, it would be relatively easy and inexpensive, so the government will not go for it. https://static1.squarespace.com/static/60100bdc6bd4ef04d018437a/t/6291182a48bd386a2ef7ae43/1653676077737/Interview+on+geothermal+energy+potential+of+IoM+(dgq)+28+Apr+22.pdf 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 28 minutes ago, Moghrey Mie said: https://static1.squarespace.com/static/60100bdc6bd4ef04d018437a/t/6291182a48bd386a2ef7ae43/1653676077737/Interview+on+geothermal+energy+potential+of+IoM+(dgq)+28+Apr+22.pdf Ta for posting that link... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 10 hours ago, Moghrey Mie said: https://static1.squarespace.com/static/60100bdc6bd4ef04d018437a/t/6291182a48bd386a2ef7ae43/1653676077737/Interview+on+geothermal+energy+potential+of+IoM+(dgq)+28+Apr+22.pdf Thanks for that. I couldn't be arsed responding with some genuine geological facts last night. Someone just needs to suggest tidal/wave generation now, so we can explain (again) why this is also bollocks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 15 hours ago, Happier diner said: Yes we can but that idea to bed. I forgot to add that wind turbines work whatever direction the wind is coming from, a tunnel would not But...... we could build a really big electric fan in front of the tunnel, to blow air through when it's not windy? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 25 minutes ago, The Phantom said: Thanks for that. I couldn't be arsed responding with some genuine geological facts last night. Someone just needs to suggest tidal/wave generation now, so we can explain (again) why this is also bollocks. Don't forget the water turbines as well😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 5 minutes ago, Happier diner said: Don't forget the water turbines as well😆 They could sort of work, but are more for energy storage rather than generation. We have a lot of hills/valleys and water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 31 minutes ago, The Phantom said: They could sort of work, but are more for energy storage rather than generation. We have a lot of hills/valleys and water. The biggest source of water is Sulby and that generates less than a MW for only part of the year. There are other sites but to be honest its always going to be small fry. We don't have that much water or vertical height. Our Rivers are streams really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 13 hours ago, Moghrey Mie said: https://static1.squarespace.com/static/60100bdc6bd4ef04d018437a/t/6291182a48bd386a2ef7ae43/1653676077737/Interview+on+geothermal+energy+potential+of+IoM+(dgq)+28+Apr+22.pdf Thank you for the link, which also proves ground source heat pumps don’t work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Cambon said: Thank you for the link, which also proves ground source heat pumps don’t work. No it doesn't that's something different. As Wiki helpfully states: There is what may be mistakenly known as geothermal energy at shallow depths but it is technically solar energy; the upper 10 to 15 m (33 to 49 ft) of ground is heated by solar radiation and not (except in rare exceptions) geothermal energy. This acts a heat store and can be exploited in a number of different ways. This heat can be utilised by ground source heat pumps that can substantially reduce heating bills and reduce the associated carbon footprint. The heat from the sun is conducted downwards into the ground. At a depth of about 15 m, ground temperatures are not influenced by seasonal air temperature changes and tend to remain stable all year around at about the mean annual air temperature (9 to 13 °C (48 to 55 °F) in the UK). Hence, the ground at this depth is cooler than the air in summer and warmer than the air in winter. This temperature difference is exploited by ground source heat pumps that are used for heating and/or cooling of homes and office buildings. Like most such technologies it has its part to play in the right place and under the right conditions. Apart from odd exceptions the British Isles isn't right for 'proper' geothermal - which tends to be best suited for areas of geological activity such as California. Mind you Dave Quirk's wrong when he says you "would not choose to generate power from wind in the Sahara". That's exact what some people plan to do. Edited August 9, 2023 by Roger Mexico Add link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 Excellent link, Roger Mexico! To summerise, if you spend many thousands of pounds on excavation and installation of a ground source heat pump, the resultant water to heat your house is basically the temperature of cold tap water. I wonder if one could just…….. Never mind! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 21 minutes ago, Cambon said: Excellent link, Roger Mexico! To summerise, if you spend many thousands of pounds on excavation and installation of a ground source heat pump, the resultant water to heat your house is basically the temperature of cold tap water. I wonder if one could just…….. Never mind! When did ground source heat pumps come into the discussion. Who is advocating them. What have they got to do with wind farms anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Cambon said: Excellent link, Roger Mexico! To summerise, if you spend many thousands of pounds on excavation and installation of a ground source heat pump, the resultant water to heat your house is basically the temperature of cold tap water. I wonder if one could just…….. Never mind! Well what you could have done is click through to the link in the Wiki and discover how ground source heat pumps actually work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 17 hours ago, Roger Mexico said: Well what you could have done is click through to the link in the Wiki and discover how ground source heat pumps actually work. IME. You have wasted valuable skin from the end of your fingers by typing and giving this advice.😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 58 minutes ago, Happier diner said: IME. You have wasted valuable skin from the end of your fingers by typing and giving this advice.😁 What, like you also did? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 18 hours ago, Roger Mexico said: Well what you could have done is click through to the link in the Wiki and discover how ground source heat pumps actually work. I know how it works, hence my original statement. If geothermal is not possibly, heat pumps will not work either. What really annoys me is that so many people fall for this stuff. We don’t even live in a cold country. Just dress appropriately and you will not be cold! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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