Cueey Lewis And The News Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 (edited) 14 hours ago, Holte End said: I think driving Juan into work every morning, something has got to rub off, so becoming a leading authority in Life, the Universe and Everything is just underachieving really. It seems she’s a marine biologist. But clearly she knows next to nothing about renewable energy. Edited December 1, 2023 by Cueey Lewis And The News Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred the shred Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 I was nearly right a Marine Biologist I knew it was something to do with fish. If I remember correctly she had a bit of a ding dong with Rob and told him to fly away or words to that effect when he was briefly Health Minister , allegedly, that I think is her only claim to fame. I heard a part of an interview with Juan on MR at 6.00 pm tonight and I am sure he was talking about the wind farm he thinks it will go over budget as well, in fairness he could have been referring to anything that is currently in the pipe line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cueey Lewis And The News Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 4 minutes ago, Fred the shred said: If I remember correctly she had a bit of a ding dong with Rob and told him to fly away or words to that effect when he was briefly Health Minister , allegedly, that I think is her only claim to fame. You gave yourself away there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred the shred Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 The frustrating thing is no matter how many public meetings are held, how many comments are made, whatever steps are taken this windfarm is going to happen it is a done deal and the public have no say in the matter. No one is listening to any concerns the meetings are just an excercise in pacifying the population and is akin to giving a child a dummy to shut them up. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 20 minutes ago, Mercenary said: I'd normally agree and I think the energy policy area is problematic with DEFA CC seeming to steer much of it through the backdoor and self-imposed legislation, and MU seem to be lumbered with trying to implement whatever other arms of government decide is the best way to run their electric grid. However, on the face of it the wind turbines make strong economic sense - reduce gas bill by £15m/year, reduce sensitivity to gas price shocks, for £40m one-off (with minimal maintenance costs) for 20 year lifespan. Even if it ended up at double that the numbers would stick stack up. Although obviously strong NIMBY lobby so it may never happen. The reality is not 'if we don't do it, we save £40m ', it's 'spend £15m+ year more, every year'. It doesn't change the interconnector conversation, or the gas plant conversation, but it does save tens of millions at the margin which would be bought in gas/electric in any situation. Stop talking sense. You'll never be popular on here. You have hit the nail on the head. It's a right old dilemma and that's for sure. Wind turbines make good sense. They are like a gas turbine with free gas. However that free gas only is there when it's windy and you need something for that base load. An interconnector is good for that but we only have one. Another is £250M and then that leaves us with a redundant power station that has 20 years to go until it's paid for. There is no easy answer. Neither economically nor climatologically . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 Haywood is a covid extremist. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Buggane Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 ⁶ 43 minutes ago, Mercenary said: The reality is not 'if we don't do it, we save £40m ', it's 'spend £15m+ year more, every year'. It doesn't change the interconnector conversation, or the gas plant conversation, but it does save tens of millions at the margin which would be bought in gas/electric in any situation. This only rings true if every turbine runs maintenance free no break downs, speedy repairs not on the cards if we do not posses infrastructure as in fuck off big crane and spares package. Oh and the wind actually blows not to little and not to much. Good luck with that crystal ball on the weather to say how many days will be just right for optimum generation 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omobono Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 8 minutes ago, Dirty Buggane said: ⁶ This only rings true if every turbine runs maintenance free no break downs, speedy repairs not on the cards if we do not posses infrastructure as in fuck off big crane and spares package. Oh and the wind actually blows not to little and not to much. Good luck with that crystal ball on the weather to say how many days will be just right for optimum generation don't worry the spares kits will cost millions and a certain favoured contractor has already ordered the massive cranes required to service them , Pulrose power station has at least 20 years left in it , and plenty of spares to be had from general electric for the engines 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cissolt Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 44 minutes ago, Happier diner said: Stop talking sense. You'll never be popular on here. You have hit the nail on the head. It's a right old dilemma and that's for sure. Wind turbines make good sense. They are like a gas turbine with free gas. However that free gas only is there when it's windy and you need something for that base load. An interconnector is good for that but we only have one. Another is £250M and then that leaves us with a redundant power station that has 20 years to go until it's paid for. There is no easy answer. Neither economically nor climatologically . The second interconnector was quoted as 2 billion in recent literature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 3 hours ago, cissolt said: The second interconnector was quoted as 2 billion in recent literature. I don't believe so. Do you have a reference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 Serious question, are we still paying for the illegal loans on the power station ....... and when , if , does that end ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Buggane Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 Oh yes the loans, I think there is still a couple of generations to go before they are payed. Have been refinanced a couple of times, but that was when money was cheap not such a good looking idea now interest rates are rising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 56 minutes ago, asitis said: Serious question, are we still paying for the illegal loans on the power station ....... and when , if , does that end ? The loans were not illegal. About 25 years to go I think. That's the issue. We will be paying for a power station that we no longer use. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, Happier diner said: The loans were not illegal. About 25 years to go I think. That's the issue. We will be paying for a power station that we no longer use. Thanks very much. The loans were illegal in my understanding, up until the point Government had to decide they weren't , another fait a complis . Your last line is what I feared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 6 minutes ago, Happier diner said: The loans were not illegal. About 25 years to go I think. That's the issue. We will be paying for a power station that we no longer use. The loans were legalised retrospectively. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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