Non-Believer Posted Tuesday at 03:52 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 03:52 PM 27 minutes ago, Moghrey Mie said: Nobody has ever promised that electricity charges will reduce as a result of the wind farm. No promises, true, but the inference has certainly been there with the "cheaper, greener" drive. However, many people will have interpreted this as meaning that prices will fall (an interpretation that suits the scheme's proponents just fine). 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted Tuesday at 04:38 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 04:38 PM 48 minutes ago, Amadeus said: Lower leccy cost is the only reason this could be even remotely considered and if that’s not happening then this needs to be shut down fast. I think ultimately it should end up in cheaper electricity. That will be when the capital cost is paid back. I have spent a lot of time in Europe this year. Wind farms everywhere. Holland, Belgium, Germany, France, Spain, Portugal, Italy, canaries. Not it's possible that all these places have got it wrong and it's not economically viable, but I doubt it. They have them because they are self financing as well as green. They are not perfect but given the isle of man is windier than all those places, surely it makes economic sense for us to have them too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc.fixit Posted Tuesday at 04:50 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 04:50 PM You might be led to believe that wind power would be good on our island but the way it would be instigated would lead to astronomical costs. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted Tuesday at 05:26 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 05:26 PM 45 minutes ago, Happier diner said: I think ultimately it should end up in cheaper electricity. That will be when the capital cost is paid back. MUA don't just have the capital cost of this installation to pay back though, there's the small question of the outstanding MEA debt as well. It may be a long time before the benefits of any cheaper generation will be felt by the consumer. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted Tuesday at 06:12 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 06:12 PM 43 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: MUA don't just have the capital cost of this installation to pay back though, there's the small question of the outstanding MEA debt as well. It may be a long time before the benefits of any cheaper generation will be felt by the consumer. Indeed they do and that's part of the problem. Adding more debt to debt. It depends if you see the MUA as an isle of man thing or as a separate entity. Should we (or they) make decisions that are good for the IOM in the long term or just focus on their business. My view is that onshore wind is a no brainer. How it's funded, well that's another issue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinpot Posted Tuesday at 06:23 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 06:23 PM It’s getting built so we may as well get used to it. More specialists on island making plans and looking at details this last couple of weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted Tuesday at 07:22 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 07:22 PM 57 minutes ago, Tinpot said: It’s getting built so we may as well get used to it. More specialists on island making plans and looking at details this last couple of weeks. There is a major hurdle. Planning. Planning gives MHKs an opportunity to veto anything to save their seats. Remember Daffers and the Laxey sewage works. She sacrificed principle to run with the back and maintain her popularity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinpot Posted Tuesday at 07:25 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 07:25 PM 2 minutes ago, Happier diner said: There is a major hurdle. Planning. Planning gives MHKs an opportunity to veto anything to save their seats. Remember Daffers and the Laxey sewage works. She sacrificed principle to run with the back and maintain her popularity. It will go through planning. Some NIMBYs will take it to appeal. Appeal will be overturned and it will be built. No question 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted Tuesday at 08:25 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 08:25 PM 59 minutes ago, Tinpot said: It will go through planning. Some NIMBYs will take it to appeal. Appeal will be overturned and it will be built. No question And if it doesn't you'll never post on here again? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted 17 hours ago Share Posted 17 hours ago Planning will already be infected with the " green at any cost " virus, I wouldn't be surprised if it sails through ! TBH I would probably be more of a supporter if the scheme were to rid us of fossil fuel dependency, it wont, it will merely mean we have to run both side by side. Sort of the large scale equivalent of a hybrid car, where two systems need maintaining to ensure the system works, but the electric bit makes the owners feel green. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted 16 hours ago Share Posted 16 hours ago 20 hours ago, Happier diner said: And if it doesn't you'll never post on here again? What like Crazy Dave promised but returned as tinpot 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted 15 hours ago Share Posted 15 hours ago 53 minutes ago, Banker said: What like Crazy Dave promised but returned as tinpot 😂 And many other aliases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercenary Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago On 10/15/2024 at 4:07 PM, Mercenary said: Not about employment conditions more about potentially showing signs of predetermination and opening future decisions up to judicial challenge. https://www.channel103.com/news/jersey/ferry-operator-announcement-could-be-delayed/ "Economy Department Chief Officer Richard Corrigan ‘recused himself’ from the tender process for future ferry services after voting for DFDS in an online poll." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amadeus Posted 41 minutes ago Share Posted 41 minutes ago So the entire 72 hectare plantation is coming down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyWolf Posted 24 minutes ago Share Posted 24 minutes ago I certainly hope not but they’ll be a token planting of trees elsewhere that’ll all die of when most people forget the reason for planting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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