0bserver Posted August 15, 2023 Author Share Posted August 15, 2023 9 minutes ago, woolley said: You are still not recognising the contribution made by the tourists to the wider economy in sectors other than the heritage attractions - assessed at £11m in the earlier review. You are only looking at the bare cost and revenue of the attractions. It's a simplistic view of a complex situation. The subsidies are small beer in relation to a billion pound budget. I'd much rather trim some needless management posts in the central government bureaucracy. We never seem to get a review of that. It just gets bigger. What it boils down to is essentially there is no more money to keep subsiding these things. We have two choices - make some unpopular decisions in an effort to make them sustainable. Or pretend things can stay the same. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted August 15, 2023 Share Posted August 15, 2023 35 minutes ago, 0bserver said: What it boils down to is essentially there is no more money to keep subsiding these things. We have two choices - make some unpopular decisions in an effort to make them sustainable. Or pretend things can stay the same. Things clearly can't stay the same and some of us have been saying it since long before it was fashionable, but if you refuse to engage with the fact that there is an amount of money drawn in by the additional spend made on Island by the tourists you don't know whether or not you are doing the right thing even on a narrow cash in and out basis aside from all other considerations. If you are wrong it will be too late to put right. Your position is extreme. We have other far greater, needless waste in the over managed bureaucracy that is 100% drain and much more worthy of cutting. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0bserver Posted August 16, 2023 Author Share Posted August 16, 2023 6 hours ago, woolley said: Things clearly can't stay the same and some of us have been saying it since long before it was fashionable, but if you refuse to engage with the fact that there is an amount of money drawn in by the additional spend made on Island by the tourists you don't know whether or not you are doing the right thing even on a narrow cash in and out basis aside from all other considerations. If you are wrong it will be too late to put right. Your position is extreme. We have other far greater, needless waste in the over managed bureaucracy that is 100% drain and much more worthy of cutting. Thats literally what I've said. Make them break even so they can continue. Can you list the other wastes of money you would deal with first? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 23 minutes ago, 0bserver said: Can you list the other wastes of money you would deal with first? 2 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 46 minutes ago, 0bserver said: Can you list the other wastes of money you would deal with first? at least 4000 CS 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 23 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: that ones money, space and oxygen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 (edited) On 8/14/2023 at 4:43 PM, Moghrey Mie said: This was a very minimalist consultation. 'How often do you use the trains and trams?' 'Do you consider them important?' There was nothing about the cost and possible alternatives such as using volunteers to run them. Money well, spent... https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/almost-250k-spent-repairing-locomotive-which-still-doesnt-work/ Needs another £40k spending on it. Edited December 18, 2023 by quilp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 17 minutes ago, quilp said: Money well, spent... https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/almost-250k-spent-repairing-locomotive-which-still-doesnt-work/ Needs another £40k spending on it. So more than losses for horse tram which are at least operational Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelmutX Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 (edited) 33 minutes ago, quilp said: Money well, spent... https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/almost-250k-spent-repairing-locomotive-which-still-doesnt-work/ Needs another £40k spending on it. NEW THREAD???????!!!! BUT according to Amadaus, DICTATOR OF THESE FORUMS, this is fine here. Every thread on these forums grows exponentially because the DICTATOR moderators insist! WTF?! NEW THREAD FOR YET ANOTHER OVERSPEND (WELL, UNACCOUNTABLE/IRRESPONSIBLE SPENDING!) Typical of the mentality in IoM..... spend, spend, spend, (some get rich, others pay for those riches) Mone being a prime example.... (albeit at a UK HUGE scale - therefore NIMBY attitude here). No one is ever accountable because they are "in the click".... Edited December 18, 2023 by HelmutX 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, quilp said: Needs another £40k spending on it. From a recent FoI response: "5. Yes, the locomotive requires a replacement of a cracked axle, a repair to the gearbox, motor refurbishment, and subsequent bogie re-assembly." If a new light-bulb for the Gaiety costs £1.6 million, I doubt that work is going to be done for £40,000. Edited to add: How did it get a cracked axle when it has not been running? And were not gearbox and motor repairs part of the £249,000 already spent on repairs? Edited December 18, 2023 by Two-lane 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Colombe Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 16 minutes ago, HelmutX said: Every thread on these forums grows exponentially Not really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Peters Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 31 minutes ago, HelmutX said: NEW THREAD???????!!!! BUT according to Amadaus, DICTATOR OF THESE FORUMS, this is fine here. Every thread on these forums grows exponentially because the DICTATOR moderators insist! WTF?! NEW THREAD FOR YET ANOTHER OVERSPEND (WELL, UNACCOUNTABLE/IRRESPONSIBLE SPENDING!) Typical of the mentality in IoM..... spend, spend, spend, (some get rich, others pay for those riches) Mone being a prime example.... (albeit at a UK HUGE scale - therefore NIMBY attitude here). No one is ever accountable because they are "in the click".... *clique* 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc.fixit Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 I didn't like to say. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Peters Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, doc.fixit said: I didn't like to say. I trample where angels fear to tread… 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 At last, the truth from Stu!!!😀 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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