Heritage Railways Chopped?

[Declan]

13 minutes ago, P.K. said:

Do you have any evidence to back up this supposition?

Many of the key figures in the revival of the Manx Language in the 1970's were comeovers.

[Declan]

37 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said:

https://gef.im/news/politics/concern-review-has-pre-determined-outcome-38687/

I suspect the purpose of the consultation is to generate lots of responses in support of the railways and thereby quieten calls for reduction in its scope. 

[P.K.]

14 minutes ago, Declan said:

Rather ironic that the suggestion that heritage only matters to the Manx born comes from someone who spent their working life in the UK. 

I had a boss, 20 years ago, who lived on the Island with his wife for a year then emigrated to Australia. But during that time they had a baby. So that child, according to the PK equation would have a greater say than a baby born to Manx parents who were living for a short time in the UK, no matter how long the baby lives and works on the Island. 

I deliberately didn't mention anyone having a say in anything...

[P.K.]

17 minutes ago, Declan said:

Many of the key figures in the revival of the Manx Language in the 1970's were comeovers.

And your point is...?

As far as I'm aware a language doesn't require expensive maintenance...

[Roxanne]

16 minutes ago, P.K. said:

And your point is...?

As far as I'm aware a language doesn't require expensive maintenance...

You asked for evidence that heritage belongs to everyone who lives here. ‘Expensive maintenance’ didn’t feature in your question.  

[Roger Mexico]

30 minutes ago, P.K. said:

As I have mentioned previously these days the island's heritage is only relevant to less than half of the population. 

In 2021 the number of "Country of Birth IOM" stood at 49.6%. However for this exercise the numbers are being skewed by those being born on the island growing at approx 600 per year.

Personally I am uncomfortable with those for whom our heritage means very little deciding on what future, if any, it should have...

As I've pointed out before, while the percentage of Manx-born is just under 50%, it's been at that level for some time.  It's surprisingly consistent:

1991  49.6%

1996  49.9%

2001  48.0%

2006  47.6%

2011  48.1%

2016  49.8%

2021  49.6%

But as Declan says, it's often the incomers who are most passionate about preserving heritage.  After all they have made the choice to come and live here and part of the reason for that will be things such as the heritage.

[P.K.]

4 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

But as Declan says, it's often the incomers who are most passionate about preserving heritage.  After all they have made the choice to come and live here and part of the reason for that will be things such as the heritage.

I thought it was tax breaks like avoiding death duties?

Face it, they're not here for the weather...

[manxman1980]

3 hours ago, 0bserver said:

Are you suggesting increasing the tax burden on already struggling Manx families? Trying to increase revenue by £150 - £200m through increased taxes will destroy an already fragile economy.

I am suggesting taxing the wealthy more not struggling Manx families.  We can increase tax for corporations and the wealthy without becoming unattractive when compared to the UK or other countries.

3 hours ago, 0bserver said:

There's no reason why they can't keep the trains but have say one train instead of the 4 or 5 they have at the moment. 

You realise that the current locomotives are mostly of the same design meaning that parts are interchangeable?  They have survived for a long time by swapping parts between locomotives whilst repairing the broken or damage parts.  

I can see an argument both ways around Mannin.  Bringing her into working order would increase interest in the railways but it would be an outlier and you would not be able to swap parts so easily.  Caledonia is in the same situation but always seems popular with visitors and locals alike when she is in steam.

 

[Gladys]

31 minutes ago, P.K. said:

I thought it was tax breaks like avoiding death duties?

Face it, they're not here for the weather...

I know a lot of people, ordinary people for whom, the avoidance of death duties has little relevance.  They like the island for what it is, not for any tax advantage. 

[Mercenary]

1 minute ago, Gladys said:

I know a lot of people, ordinary people for whom, the avoidance of death duties has little relevance.  They like the island for what it is, not for any tax advantage. 

(Said the industry spokesperson)

[Meoir Shee]

2 hours ago, 0bserver said:

There's a brilliant little train/tram in Majorca similar to the Manx Electric and that is €25 single or €50 return.... these things are expensive by their very nature. 

Not quite, the train>tram is €32 return from Palma.

Mallorca Train/Tram

[P.K.]

2 hours ago, Roxanne said:

You asked for evidence that heritage belongs to everyone who lives here. ‘Expensive maintenance’ didn’t feature in your question.  

The clue is in the title of the thread...

[WTF]

2 hours ago, Declan said:

Many of the key figures in the revival of the Manx Language in the 1970's were comeovers.

that surprised me,  i always thought it was the gawne and joughin show

[Jarndyce]

1 hour ago, Gladys said:

I know a lot of people, ordinary people for whom, the avoidance of death duties has little relevance.  They like the island for what it is, not for any tax advantage

Yep: Glad is correct.  I’m one of these people!

[Roxanne]

14 minutes ago, P.K. said:

The clue is in the title of the thread...

But your question had nothing to do with the chopping of the Heritage Railways and the answer you got was an honest answer to your question. Couldn’t you just have accepted and debated that rather than trying to deflect?