David Foul-er

[KERED]

13 minutes ago, quilp said:

They can go down on you... 

Shhhh, Quilp. Everyone will want one!

(The repair kit is to STOP them going down on you - SPOILSPORTS!)

[Gladys]

52 minutes ago, KERED said:

Yep - MY girl arrived safely. (With free Puncture Repair Kit)

(I call her Henrietta, because she has a lovely smile)

Shouldn't you call it Paul?

Edited November 22, 2023 by Gladys

[Barlow]

1 hour ago, The Voice of Reason said:

The whole thing is a nightmare. I’ve taken pictures of grandchildren playing football, and have people looking at me like I’m some sort of pervert.

So you try and do it surreptitiously, and that just makes it look worse.

Kids playing football for Gods sake.

Reminded me of this post, from Topaz, (a much missed stalwart of Manx Forums (yes, 2009):

 

[John Wright]

41 minutes ago, Gladys said:

Shouldn't you call it Paul?

EVILC

[littlebushy]

22 hours ago, John Wright said:

It’s the copine scale the police, prosecution and courts work to hear. Heavens knows why. The press reporting is accurate.

 

See above.

But the press report is not accurate. It says:

They have been assessed under the Copine scale which measures severity from one to five, with five being the most severe.

47 of the images were at level one, with one at level two.

The COPINE scale is 1-10, the SAP scale is 1-5. So it is still not clear which is used.

 

 

[Gladys]

5 minutes ago, littlebushy said:

But the press report is not accurate. It says:

They have been assessed under the Copine scale which measures severity from one to five, with five being the most severe.

47 of the images were at level one, with one at level two.

The COPINE scale is 1-10, the SAP scale is 1-5. So it is still not clear which is used.

 

 

Which report is that?  The originally quoted report does not say that. 

[John Wright]

Just now, littlebushy said:

But the press report is not accurate. It says:

They have been assessed under the Copine scale which measures severity from one to five, with five being the most severe.

47 of the images were at level one, with one at level two.

The COPINE scale is 1-10, the SAP scale is 1-5. So it is still not clear which is used.

 

 

I’m pretty clear it’s the IoM very own version of Copine, which is actually SAP.

why police, prosecution and courts describe it as Copine I don’t know.

Copine isn’t suitable for forensic criminal/court use. SAP is now outdated.

However, as long as it’s used consistently within the Island system, it’s not too important as it means, for sentencing they compare like with like. 

Of course that makes jurisdictional comparison impossible.

Its exactly the same principle for drugs sentencing, where the police, prosecution and courts use an overstated  “street” value. It’s fine for IoM internal ( as long as values don’t change - they do - but makes jurisdictional comparison and meaningful use of sentencing guidelines produced with judicial and academic rigour, rather than suck it and see knee jerk, impossible.

[littlebushy]

1 hour ago, Gladys said:

Which report is that?  The originally quoted report does not say that. 

Hi, I've taken it from this one:

https://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/man-admits-importing-child-like-sex-doll-to-the-isle-of-man-651238

Maybe it has been updated which has caused the confusion?

[littlebushy]

23 hours ago, John Wright said:

It’s the copine scale the police, prosecution and courts work to hear. Heavens knows why. The press reporting is accurate.

1 hour ago, John Wright said:

I’m pretty clear it’s the IoM very own version of Copine, which is actually SAP.

why police, prosecution and courts describe it as Copine I don’t know.

Copine isn’t suitable for forensic criminal/court use. SAP is now outdated.

However, as long as it’s used consistently within the Island system, it’s not too important as it means, for sentencing they compare like with like. 

Of course that makes jurisdictional comparison impossible.

Its exactly the same principle for drugs sentencing, where the police, prosecution and courts use an overstated  “street” value. It’s fine for IoM internal ( as long as values don’t change - they do - but makes jurisdictional comparison and meaningful use of sentencing guidelines produced with judicial and academic rigour, rather than suck it and see knee jerk, impossible.

 

I'm just a layman but you appear to have contradicted yourself, argued the contradictory point till it is valid, and asserted it as fact. I'm no career advisor but you should consider a career in the legal field 😆

[wrighty]

3 hours ago, littlebushy said:

I'm just a layman but you appear to have contradicted yourself, argued the contradictory point till it is valid, and asserted it as fact. I'm no career advisor but you should consider a career in the legal field 😆

He'll be along with a third version in a minute which somehow proves that both previous arguments were correct, then send you a bill for it.

[Roger Mexico]

4 hours ago, littlebushy said:

I'm just a layman but you appear to have contradicted yourself, argued the contradictory point till it is valid, and asserted it as fact. I'm no career advisor but you should consider a career in the legal field 😆

To be fair to John I think what he was saying originally was that the courts want to hear (or the prosecutors want to use) the word "COPINE", even if it is incorrect and they're talking about something else.  Which doesn't say much for a profession supposedly dedicated to precision and clarity, but there you are.

[Sheldon]

Suspended sentence.

Indecent DVDs, kids underwear and child-like sex doll found at former House of Keys candidate's home

In supposed mitigation, "A psychiatric report said that Fowler suffered from Asperger’s Syndrome and likely Autism Spectrum Disorder, which contributed to the offending." Probably why he wanted to be an MHK.

[Declan]

I didn't think Asperger's was used anymore

 

[HeliX]

I thought we'd also grown out of blaming things like Asperger's/ASD for people's offending.

[The Voice of Reason]

32 minutes ago, HeliX said:

I thought we'd also grown out of blaming things like Asperger's/ASD for people's offending.

I thought we’d grown more into it to be honest. Seems there’s always an underlying medical condition that causes people to do bad things.