TheTeapot Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moghrey Mie Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 It wouldn't harm to do a survey to see if any public buildings have RAAC or asbestos in them. eg the Sea Terminal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 11 minutes ago, Moghrey Mie said: It wouldn't harm to do a survey to see if any public buildings have RAAC or asbestos in them. eg the Sea Terminal What kind of survey? A structural survey, a rummage through the files or an opinion poll? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josem Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 6 hours ago, Manx Bean said: Is there any? Has any politician actually asked, or are they all too busy enjoying their 3 month recess? John Wannenburgh appears to have asked about this back in April: 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred the shred Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 I thought All Saints Church’s problems were something to do with materials used in the building process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarley Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 16 hours ago, John Wright said: Royal was at end of useful life. Not aware of aerated concrete. Lots of asbestos. No longer meets modern standards. Part of redevelopment of the health campus. I've been going to the Royal yearly for over 20 years. (Since back when they still had a smoking room on every other floor.😂) When I first heard anything about it (around 2013ish?), everyone was talking about the concrete structure being the main motivating factor. IIRC the phrase "sick concrete" was being used, but maybe that's nothing to do with RAAC. That it was also no longer fit for purpose seemed to be a bonus. That's how I remember it anyway, from chatting with my consultant, nurses and other patients. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarley Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 13 hours ago, TheTeapot said: That's dreadful! My father was an avid Popular Science and Popular Mechanics reader. He kept back issues in the downstairs loo, so I used to read them too, usually trying to get out of helping with the dishes after dinner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 4 minutes ago, Zarley said: I've been going to the Royal yearly for over 20 years. (Since back when they still had a smoking room on every other floor.😂) When I first heard anything about it (around 2013ish?), everyone was talking about the concrete structure being the main motivating factor. IIRC the phrase "sick concrete" was being used, but maybe that's nothing to do with RAAC. That it was also no longer fit for purpose seemed to be a bonus. That's how I remember it anyway, from chatting with my consultant, nurses and other patients. Sick concrete is a wholly different issue. It’s when the rebar ( steel reinforcing in the concrete ) rusts and expands causing stress in the concrete, which can lead to cracks, flaking or fracture/failure. The plan to replace certainly predates 2013. Think it started as far back as 1999. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarley Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 3 minutes ago, John Wright said: Sick concrete is a wholly different issue. It’s when the rebar ( steel reinforcing in the concrete ) rusts and expands causing stress in the concrete, which can lead to cracks, flaking or fracture/failure. The plan to replace certainly predates 2013. Think it started as far back as 1999. Thanks. So it is a different issue. The plan does predate 2013, but I think that's the year it was given the go-ahead which had everyone excited and talking about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoops Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 13 hours ago, TheTeapot said: You've got to wonder what the material in use today will be the asbestos of 30 years time will be. Quite possibly MDF 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake me up Judy Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 A friend of mine who worked around building sites often witnessed weak mix concrete being used by cowboy builders. Sand was a lot cheaper than cement and corners were cut. Why use three bags of best Portland when one would do. As long as the the concrete lasted long enough then nobody would be around to take the rap. RAAC is only half the story. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Hoops said: Quite possibly MDF It's not particulates in MDF so much as the presence of carcinogenic Formaldehyde. As with Asbestos, Formaldehyde induced cancers can take 10-15 years to develop. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 18 hours ago, TheTeapot said: You've got to wonder what the material in use today will be the asbestos of 30 years time will be. Off topic, I know, but vaping. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 4 hours ago, John Wright said: Sick concrete is a wholly different issue. It’s when the rebar ( steel reinforcing in the concrete ) rusts and expands causing stress in the concrete, which can lead to cracks, flaking or fracture/failure. It was very obvious in the concrete cladding of the latter Summerland alongside the MER tracks, big areas of the corrugated concrete facing had flaked off exposing the rusting rebar within. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 2 hours ago, wrighty said: Off topic, I know, but vaping. It's not as nice as smoking that's for sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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