Fred the shred Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 St Peter’s in Onchan, A member of the Church of England has now come out in following the Living in Hope’s methods in extracting money from its followers. In a booklet they have produced there are three preferred methods to contribute 1, Increase your giving and join the planned giving scheme with a standing order 2, by Tithe by giving a percentage of your income to fund ministry. 3, by Making a legacy gift. This is followed by a verse from Corinthians explaining God loves a cheerful giver. They have listed the expenses the Church has and a wish list of structural alterations they would like to have done and some additional services they would like to offer. The gifts will remain confidential but the Vicar will be aware of the overall picture and will write to thank all that who respond. In the day you put what you could afford on the collection plate . Is this progress or will this be the final nail in the churches coffin with the steady decline already sounding the toll bell, I don’t foresee many cheerful givers in this present financial climate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cueey Lewis And The News Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 I can imagine Jack White refuting elements of this. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 I thought this was a thread to suggest competitors to Living in Hope, I was going to suggest IOM Government ! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilly Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 9 hours ago, Fred the shred said: St Peter’s in Onchan, A member of the Church of England has now come out in following the Living in Hope’s methods in extracting money from its followers. In a booklet they have produced there are three preferred methods to contribute 1, Increase your giving and join the planned giving scheme with a standing order 2, by Tithe by giving a percentage of your income to fund ministry. 3, by Making a legacy gift. This is followed by a verse from Corinthians explaining God loves a cheerful giver. They have listed the expenses the Church has and a wish list of structural alterations they would like to have done and some additional services they would like to offer. The gifts will remain confidential but the Vicar will be aware of the overall picture and will write to thank all that who respond. In the day you put what you could afford on the collection plate . Is this progress or will this be the final nail in the churches coffin with the steady decline already sounding the toll bell, I don’t foresee many cheerful givers in this present financial climate. St Peters is my local church. I wonder if this type of fundraising is now considered the norm. My sister is a nurse who has for many years given a quite large percentage of her income to the Salvation Army. She tells me it's expected that you contribute. This sounds a very similar tactical way of raising funds. l'm not a church goer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 I, along with many others like to donate to ‘worthy’ causes. However, I don’t like the in your face approach or hard sell, I find it immoral. What’s more galling is how some have grown into a cottage industry, headed by ‘chief executive’ on large salaries, who in some cases have influence within society. Unlike some charities or churches who quietly get on, serve their parishioners and communities without fanfare. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
When Skies are Grey V2 Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 The Lord giveth etc etc..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred the shred Posted September 18, 2023 Author Share Posted September 18, 2023 I have always given and respected the Salvation Army who very quietly help so many people in so many ways. I was not aware of how much help they gave until someone I know was helped by them. The fact that the Vicar will be writing personally to everyone who ups the anti irks me surely all the sheep in the flock should matter on a level playing field be they rich or poor and not judged by the depth of their pockets. There are a lot of charities that are more deserving than a crumbling building. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manx Bean Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 It’s becoming more of a thing in CofE churches..I guess with reducing congregations they have to get their money from somewhere..gone are the days when the collections keep the Vicar in roast beef. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyDave Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 As long as they are open and transparent about it then I don’t see how it’s an issue. Its free choice and they aren’t forcing people to donate or withdrawing services if they don’t. Its not my thing at all and I would quite happily never set foot in a church again, but if it brings others hope and comfort then let them crack on. You don’t need to be a rocket surgeon to figure out that traditional donations at a service will have fallen through the floor as regular church goers gradually die off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 Churches have always relied on raising funds, whether it be the collection plate, donations or wills. I don't think that anyone would be forced to donate, as they are in some 'religions?' I'm not a churchgoer so not really up to speed but I am involved with other organisations and money is a crucial factor in keeping going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxanne Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 15 minutes ago, CrazyDave said: rocket surgeon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Colombe Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 Living in Hope of making a ton of cash. Or is it Street? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 The Vicar wants expensive Roast Beef!!! Couldn't he rustle up some bread and fishes??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 1 hour ago, CrazyDave said: You don’t need to be a rocket surgeon to figure out that traditional donations at a service will have fallen through the floor as regular church goers gradually die off. And stop carrying cash. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bastard Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 Is it any different to any club membership ? It would be weird to expect to walk into a gym without paying a fee and getting indignant when the owner asks you for one. Churches provide (literal) services for their club members. They cost money to run, I imagine the heating bills for the drafty old places are sky-high, and the maintenance of all those steeples and gargoyles can't be cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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