finlo Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 13 minutes ago, Two-lane said: They have all been repaired under warranty, which implies design problems rather than user mis-handling. These things have been around a while, so why so many repairs required? Scallies keep chopping the leads off for their scrap value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Hedgehog Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 1 hour ago, A fool and his money..... said: What's their life expectancy? Google says 10-15 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Ingham Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 1 hour ago, A fool and his money..... said: What's their life expectancy? Life expectancy and useful life are very different things in the world of EV charges. None of the ones installed on island will still be useful in five years, even if they still work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 4 hours ago, Dave Hedgehog said: Great to see all the Facebook comments on that story totally misunderstand how investments work and ignore the fact that that these charging points will generate a growing income for years to come. 600K out. 43K in. How much out to MU in electricity cost? Lets say 30K, so 13 K a year profit. Lets round it up to 20K. That means it will take 30 years to cover the installation costs of charging points that have a 15 year lifespan. The increased income over the past couple of years is due to the doubling of the price of electricity. Complete waste of taxpayers money. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 57 minutes ago, Cambon said: 600K out. 43K in. How much out to MU in electricity cost? Lets say 30K, so 13 K a year profit. Lets round it up to 20K. That means it will take 30 years to cover the installation costs of charging points that have a 15 year lifespan. The increased income over the past couple of years is due to the doubling of the price of electricity. Complete waste of taxpayers money. so power station maths on a smaller scale then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A fool and his money..... Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 1 hour ago, Dave Hedgehog said: Google says 10-15 years I think that's probably optimistic. Not that I don't think they'll necessarily last that long (although very little electronic equipment does these days) ,but they'll be superceded in half that time. Normal electricity customers pay a standing charge to pay for the network. Is there a standing charge added on to the tariff of public EV chargers? I wouldn't mind betting they pay a lower tariff too. It's like pre-payment meter users don't get prompt payment discounts despite paying in advance for their electricity - allegedly because of the cost of running the prepayment system. I can only assume £600k is not considered a cost. Same old story on the IOM. Shaft the poor while giving your rich mates subsidies left right and centre. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad_manx Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 (edited) 35 minutes ago, A fool and his money..... said: I think that's probably optimistic. Not that I don't think they'll necessarily last that long (although very little electronic equipment does these days) ,but they'll be superceded in half that time. Normal electricity customers pay a standing charge to pay for the network. Is there a standing charge added on to the tariff of public EV chargers? I wouldn't mind betting they pay a lower tariff too. It's like pre-payment meter users don't get prompt payment discounts despite paying in advance for their electricity - allegedly because of the cost of running the prepayment system. I can only assume £600k is not considered a cost. Same old story on the IOM. Shaft the poor while giving your rich mates subsidies left right and centre. It's 31.1 p per unit for EV charging at the podpoints .. Vs 28.5 p per unit for the electricity for domestic use at home. Edited May 14 by mad_manx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A fool and his money..... Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 14 hours ago, mad_manx said: It's 31.1 p per unit for EV charging at the podpoints .. Vs 28.5 p per unit for the electricity for domestic use at home. Ok. And what is the EV tariff for home use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad_manx Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 (edited) 35 minutes ago, A fool and his money..... said: Ok. And what is the EV tariff for home use? 28.5 p peak and 19.5 p off peak ( midnight to 0600 UTC) . You have to install a charging pod and get someone to sign it off and get a dual meter installed. So that's a minimum of £1k +++ . If you are not on gas heating , its cheaper to get the comfy heating tariff which is 16.7 p off peak . This is cheaper than the EV rates and has more time off peak ( midnight to 0600 UTC and 1400 to 1600 UTC ) . Most people with solar etc will be on this one.. you can sell the excess to the grid but they only pay something like 9.5p for every unit that you generate and sell on to them though:-(. So makes more sense to use it rather than sell it to the grid. Edited May 15 by mad_manx 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A fool and his money..... Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 5 hours ago, mad_manx said: 28.5 p peak and 19.5 p off peak ( midnight to 0600 UTC) . You have to install a charging pod and get someone to sign it off and get a dual meter installed. So that's a minimum of £1k +++ . Ok, and is that off peak tariff just for your EV charger or for all your off peak consumption? Could you use the timer on your washing machine, dishwasher, even immersion heater on the cheap off peak, purely because you own an electric vehicle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 8 minutes ago, A fool and his money..... said: Ok, and is that off peak tariff just for your EV charger or for all your off peak consumption? Could you use the timer on your washing machine, dishwasher, even immersion heater on the cheap off peak, purely because you own an electric vehicle? Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 23 hours ago, Anthony Ingham said: Life expectancy and useful life are very different things in the world of EV charges. None of the ones installed on island will still be useful in five years, even if they still work. Why do you say that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 23 hours ago, Cambon said: 600K out. 43K in. How much out to MU in electricity cost? Lets say 30K, so 13 K a year profit. Lets round it up to 20K. That means it will take 30 years to cover the installation costs of charging points that have a 15 year lifespan. The increased income over the past couple of years is due to the doubling of the price of electricity. Complete waste of taxpayers money. Do think there would be any complaints if there were no EV chargers on the island? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 If everyone changed their electricity usage to use cheap off-peak electricity (including charging a storage battery in the garage) off-peak would become on-peak. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 (edited) Been sent a couple of ev adverts today, one for a 2023 Nissan leaf with 10 miles on the clock at £14,990 less than half new price and one for a new Vauxhall Corsa E with a discount of £13,000 off the retail price. Can't wait to plow some cash into a new one LOL ! Edited May 15 by asitis 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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