Happier diner Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 1 minute ago, Cambon said: EVs have peaked. Volkswagen have stopped expanding the EV division because they see this. EVs have only ever been a niche market. Whilst I agree in the current world state, eventually there will only be electric cars. They have peeked for now and dont really make sense to me, they will rise again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Ingham Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 2 minutes ago, Happier diner said: Whilst I agree in the current world state, eventually there will only be electric cars. They have peeked for now and dont really make sense to me, they will rise again. There will never be a time when there are only electric cars as we know them now. Not ever. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 Just now, Anthony Ingham said: There will never be a time when there are only electric cars as we know them now. Not ever. What does "as we know them now" mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 1 minute ago, Anthony Ingham said: There will never be a time when there are only electric cars as we know them now. Not ever. And what will cars be powered with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Ingham Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 2 minutes ago, Happier diner said: What does "as we know them now" mean? A battery that you have to plug in and charge from the electricity network. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad_manx Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 14 minutes ago, Anthony Ingham said: There will never be a time when there are only electric cars as we know them now. Not ever. Probably not with current technology but it evolves rapidly with time.. We went from the first flight by the Wright brothers in 1903 to commercial airliners in around 30 years and then the 747 in another 30 odd years. No one in 1903 would have imagined that a 747 will exist one day.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 46 minutes ago, Anthony Ingham said: A battery that you have to plug in and charge from the electricity network. Yes. But an electric car still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 33 minutes ago, mad_manx said: Probably not with current technology but it evolves rapidly with time.. We went from the first flight by the Wright brothers in 1903 to commercial airliners in around 30 years and then the 747 in another 30 odd years. No one in 1903 would have imagined that a 747 will exist one day.. The limiting factor for total EVs are 1. The power is still generated by burning fossil fuels to a great extent. 2. The electricity network would not support it 3. They are expensive and heavy. 3 will improve with technology. 1 and 2 are serious challenges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A fool and his money..... Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 14 hours ago, Happier diner said: The amount of power available is the most important factor by a country mile. It really isn't. Battery technology is a far greater factor. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 2 minutes ago, A fool and his money..... said: It really isn't. Battery technology is a far greater factor. Bullshit. If you have no power you have nothing. The battery technology already exists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 https://calderelectricalservices.co.uk/22kw-three-phase-ev-charging/#:~:text=To charge your EV at,fast charging of around 22kW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A fool and his money..... Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 34 minutes ago, Happier diner said: Bullshit. If you have no power you have nothing. The battery technology already exists. It's getting that power into the battery in the form of charge that's the bottleneck. Yes battery technology already exists but it is constantly being improved. It's big business, there's a lot of money going into research the world over. Not just for EV's but for renewable energy storage etc. If you seriously think that this will lead to no advancement in the next five years then you are wrong- you only need to look at the last five years to see that. I get that you have a GCSE in physics and you remember Ohm's law. Trust me when I tell you, there's a little more to it than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad_manx Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 (edited) 1 hour ago, Happier diner said: The limiting factor for total EVs are 1. The power is still generated by burning fossil fuels to a great extent. 2. The electricity network would not support it 3. They are expensive and heavy. 3 will improve with technology. 1 and 2 are serious challenges. Ev motor is way more efficient than an ICE engine. Efficiency of a ICE engine is like 30 % or so and that's the peak Efficiency after it has warmed up etc.. So will be way lower for short trips that we would do on the island.. Fossil fuel power plants will have a higher efficiency than an ICE engine which runs for short distances .. Since EV's are over 70% efficient it's still efficient (even ifpower is generated with fossil fuels )for short trips compared to fossil fuel vehichles( even after accounting for transmission / charging losses) . Over longer trips ICE engines will be better with current tech If fossil fuels are used for power generation and that's used for the EV. While I still love EV tech , I agree that it needs a lot of improvement to become mainstream. Edited May 18 by mad_manx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 22 minutes ago, A fool and his money..... said: It's getting that power into the battery in the form of charge that's the bottleneck. Yes battery technology already exists but it is constantly being improved. It's big business, there's a lot of money going into research the world over. Not just for EV's but for renewable energy storage etc. If you seriously think that this will lead to no advancement in the next five years then you are wrong- you only need to look at the last five years to see that. I get that you have a GCSE in physics and you remember Ohm's law. Trust me when I tell you, there's a little more to it than that. You are deluded. Without enough power you are goosed. GCSE or not. I can't believe you can't see it. Yes if course chargers and batteries will get better and better. I am not disagreeing with you in that. But they will never be able to make power. Power and it's limited availability will be an issue for some considerable time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 4 minutes ago, Happier diner said: You are deluded. Without enough power you are goosed. GCSE or not. I can't believe you can't see it. Yes if course chargers and batteries will get better and better. I am not disagreeing with you in that. But they will never be able to make power. Power and it's limited availability will be an issue for some considerable time. Actually, the main problem for EVs is the batteries. There is simply not enough lithium in the world. Many car manufacturers are looking towards hydrogen power now because they know EVs are dead in the water. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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