The Voice of Reason Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 18 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: What a pity you're not allowed access to the internet. (Though actually I think page 13 - or 14 of pdf - was meant). The Census showed a majority of those who answered the religion question described themselves as Christian - though not all would be CofE of course. And how does that translate into the Church of England assuming that they represent the majority of people as MM suggested? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 54.7% were Christian. 43.8% had no religious belief. Ergo, unless members of CoE make up more than 80% of Christians they’re a minority with lower numbers than non believers. Given the number of Catholics, Presbyterians, Methodists, Baptists and Evangelicals on Island it’s likely that Anglicans are around 65% of the Christian cohort. In other words fewer Anglicans than non believers/non Christians. On that basis any claim that Anglicans are representative of any IoM demographic, other than the CofE, and deserve a seat in our national parliament as of right is clearly incorrect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 59 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: What a pity you're not allowed access to the internet. (Though actually I think page 13 - or 14 of pdf - was meant). The Census showed a majority of those who answered the religion question described themselves as Christian - though not all would be CofE of course. It was an optional question though, and if you took account of those who didn't answer (or who weren't answered for - eg small children) the percentage dropped below half. But, as I pointed out when I analysed the figures, there loom to be processing errors in the figures, so they should be taken as Gospel. I see what you did there. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 12 minutes ago, John Wright said: 54.7% were Christian. 43.8% had no religious belief. Ergo, unless members of CoE make up more than 80% of Christians they’re a minority with lower numbers than non believers. Given the number of Catholics, Presbyterians, Methodists, Baptists and Evangelicals on Island it’s likely that Anglicans are around 65% of the Christian cohort. In other words fewer Anglicans than non believers/non Christians. On that basis any claim that Anglicans are representative of any IoM demographic, other than the CofE, and deserve a seat in our national parliament as of right is clearly incorrect. But the law says otherwise, as in establishment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 19 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said: But the law says otherwise, as in establishment. Yes, and it’s an anachronistic hangover, which is un Democratic and wholly unneeded. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 1 minute ago, John Wright said: Yes, and it’s an anachronistic hangover, which is un Democratic and wholly unneeded. Wouldn't necessarily disagree with you but it's going to take some untangling come the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 (edited) 47 minutes ago, John Wright said: 54.7% were Christian. 43.8% had no religious belief. Ergo, unless members of CoE make up more than 80% of Christians they’re a minority with lower numbers than non believers. Given the number of Catholics, Presbyterians, Methodists, Baptists and Evangelicals on Island it’s likely that Anglicans are around 65% of the Christian cohort. In other words fewer Anglicans than non believers/non Christians. On that basis any claim that Anglicans are representative of any IoM demographic, other than the CofE, and deserve a seat in our national parliament as of right is clearly incorrect. Yes but MM says that the C of E should not assume that they represent the majority of people. I’ve seen nothing from them that suggests that they are making such an assumption or claim. Edited November 8, 2023 by The Voice of Reason For clarity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 5 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said: Wouldn't necessarily disagree with you but it's going to take some untangling come the time. Not really, it’s happened in Wales, and both parts of Ireland, and many of the original Commonwealth countries/dominions. And the state Lutheran churches in Sweden & Norway have both been disestablished in the last two decades. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 23 minutes ago, John Wright said: it’s an anachronistic hangover, Had a few of those in my younger days. Honey never helped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Buggane Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 16 pints and a vindaloo did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Helmut Fromage Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 Ask A CofE are they Christian = 100% yes, Ask a Catholic are they Christian = 0% & an “I’m Catholic” follow up. Its their own ignorance and in fighting and saying what they’re told to sets the precedent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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