Moghrey Mie Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 https://tynwald.org.im/spfile?file=/business/opqp/sittings/20212026/2023-GD-0095.pdf I suppose the benefits will be similar to what we see in splitting policy at DHSC from delivery by Manx Care ie More duplication and expense. They have had since 2013 to sort out common standards for their stock of housing owned by DOI. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 (edited) By rights all the stock including local authorities housing stock should be transferred over. It would be a worthwhile manageable amount which would be viable for a large HA to be tempted to get take on the stock. As the report states, a dowry would be paid prior to any transfer. I can only deduce that the local authorities want control of their housing stock. I can see your cynicism, and you are right to be. What I can see happening is instead of it being transferred into a specially created HA, they will create a ALMO, operating at arms length. I can’t see that being successful, it’s something that CM Cannan likes. Edited September 23, 2023 by 2112 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moghrey Mie Posted September 23, 2023 Author Share Posted September 23, 2023 15 minutes ago, 2112 said: By rights all the stock including local authorities housing stock should be transferred over. It would be a worthwhile manageable amount which would be viable for a large HA to be tempted to get take on the stock. As the report states, a dowry would be paid prior to any transfer. I can only deduce that the local authorities want control of their housing stock. I can see your cynicism, and you are right to be. What I can see happening is instead of it being transferred into a specially created HA, they will create a ALMO, operating at arms length. I can’t see that being successful, it’s something that CM Cannan likes. Wouldn't there be an issue about who manages the areas in between and around council houses? Would a Housing Association maintain open areas and footpaths etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moghrey Mie Posted September 23, 2023 Author Share Posted September 23, 2023 22 minutes ago, 2112 said: By rights all the stock including local authorities housing stock should be transferred over. It would be a worthwhile manageable amount which would be viable for a large HA to be tempted to get take on the stock. As the report states, a dowry would be paid prior to any transfer. I can only deduce that the local authorities want control of their housing stock. I can see your cynicism, and you are right to be. What I can see happening is instead of it being transferred into a specially created HA, they will create a ALMO, operating at arms length. I can’t see that being successful, it’s something that CM Cannan likes. https://www.gov.im/media/1347253/housing-map-march-2015-gms.pdf Why no social housing in Kirk Michael? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, Moghrey Mie said: https://www.gov.im/media/1347253/housing-map-march-2015-gms.pdf Why no social housing in Kirk Michael? Nimby Central. Easier to eat the homeless. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, Moghrey Mie said: https://www.gov.im/media/1347253/housing-map-march-2015-gms.pdf Why no social housing in Kirk Michael? it keeps the crime rate down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Moghrey Mie said: Wouldn't there be an issue about who manages the areas in between and around council houses? Would a Housing Association maintain open areas and footpaths etc? What issue? If properties are transferred over, HA would maintain areas, such as grassland on the land. I am sure those issues you raise would be addressed. It’s not handed over just like that, it takes time, involving, lawyers, bankers and accountants. I would imagine the AGs office will be involved - an opportunity to screw something up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omobono Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 regarding areas of grassland footpaths etc isn't this what we all .i(including those in local authority )housing pay rates for ? as well as street lighting emptying bins recycling , with a bit of luck we could totally reform local authorities and finish up with about 4 island wide , think of the saving in clerks salaries alone ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moghrey Mie Posted September 23, 2023 Author Share Posted September 23, 2023 1 hour ago, 2112 said: What issue? If properties are transferred over, HA would maintain areas, such as grassland on the land. I am sure those issues you raise would be addressed. It’s not handed over just like that, it takes time, involving, lawyers, bankers and accountants. I would imagine the AGs office will be involved - an opportunity to screw something up. More delay when the AG gets involved. 'Number 6 – Capable of operating within IOM legal framework and regulation Legal advice on this option has not been secured at this options stage. It is expected that specialist legal advice will need to be sought regarding all viable options in due course.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Omobono said: think of the saving in clerks salaries alone ! And the jobs for their mates, in one or two applications.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 Cynic mode engaged.................. Would Ha control of SH allow them to introduce new rules , total household income, years in residence, 5 year re-assessment and then curtail residence without it having a Politcal influence/comeback to \\\\\\\\mhks ??? \An easy way to effect rule changes that don't reflect on MHKs. Nothing to do with us mate!!! However, it could be a way forward???? If, the right HA are appointed! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 Excuse the grammar!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passing Time Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 In principle, a good idea. In practice, it’ll be a shit show Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilly Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 27 minutes ago, Kopek said: However, it could be a way forward???? If, the right HA are appointed! Housing Association are the best way to manage social housing; on the whole, they are fair and will probably implement rules that will make sure the occupiers are the disadvantage in our community. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 That's what the DoI said!!! Can we believe them?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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