newaccount Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 7 minutes ago, woolley said: Yes. The thread title is deliberately misleading. It isn't a similar case at all because the P&O staff had no option of continued employment on good pay. Potentially not continued employment if a new contract is in place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 38 minutes ago, newaccount said: Potentially not continued employment if a new contract is in place I've read that 6 times and I still don't really get your meaning. All I was saying is that the P&O staff did not have an option for continuing their employment. They were just sacked. End of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowell thurber Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 Live on board is probably not that attractive even for non locals broken sleep from the boat loading and unloading every four hours. Dry ship meaning no beers for the duration not being able to just go out for a walk or nip to the shops for two weeks half your life is spent going to and from Heysham. Four hours on the thing is enough or me can't wait to get off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Listening Ear Posted December 22, 2023 Author Share Posted December 22, 2023 5 hours ago, Ringy Rose said: No, it’s accept the new conditions or be made redundant. Redundancy payment as per contract. P&O only offered enhanced redundancy because they’d broken the law by failing to consult. The Steam Packet have consulted. But the crew haven’t been offered redundancy if they don’t accept the new terms. Redundancy hasn’t been mentioned to any crew members at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silk Worm Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 9 hours ago, Banker said: Well there’s only 30 total who voted for a strike so even if they all lived in Ramsey it would have little impact on the vote, you’re obviously a union official or officer in union How presumptive, but you are incorrect. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringy Rose Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 3 hours ago, The Listening Ear said: But the crew haven’t been offered redundancy if they don’t accept the new terms. It’s a tricky area of law but, fundamentally, an employer must have a fair reason to fire someone. Redundancy is a fair reason and usually easier to manage than the fair reason of ‘some other substantial reason’. Someone refusing to accept a change to their contract could fall under either, and either could be fair reasons to dismiss. They’re not going to offer redundancy as they could go down either route, however I would expect any refuseniks to be made redundant as the paperwork is easier to manage and less open to challenge in an Employment Tribunal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxman2000 Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 What ever happened to the 90 days notice to change of contract, does it not apply to the Isle of Man or is it no longer applicable. only 10% of crews live on the island, that is a surprise. The packet pay well why no uptake on jobs or are the foreign crew members cheaper to employ through Guernsey crewing. So no job offers on island. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 4 minutes ago, Manxman2000 said: What ever happened to the 90 days notice to change of contract, does it not apply to the Isle of Man or is it no longer applicable. only 10% of crews live on the island, that is a surprise. The packet pay well why no uptake on jobs or are the foreign crew members cheaper to employ through Guernsey crewing. So no job offers on island. They’ve had a lot more notice than 90 days 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxman2000 Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 10 minutes ago, Banker said: They’ve had a lot more notice than 90 days Yes, but does that law still stand, if it does the packet will be making other arrangements now ready for a walk out or work to rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake me up Judy Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 Crewing the IOM ferry should be no different to any other job where you get to go home at the end of your shift and aren't expected to sleep over in the workplace. We're not talking deep sea routes here. It's Douglas to Heysham and back. This whole thing is ridiculous and a shambles. Cannan needs to get down there and tell Thompson to back off with the bully-boy management style or clear his desk. I'll even do it for him if he wants. It would be a pleasure. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 8 minutes ago, Manxman2000 said: Yes, but does that law still stand, if it does the packet will be making other arrangements now ready for a walk out or work to rule. They’ve already said they have contingency plans, suppose it depends how many actually walk out etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hmmmm Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 6 minutes ago, Shake me up Judy said: Crewing the IOM ferry should be no different to any other job where you get to go home at the end of your shift and aren't expected to sleep over in the workplace. We're not talking deep sea routes here. It's Douglas to Heysham and back. This whole thing is ridiculous and a shambles. Cannan needs to get down there and tell Thompson to back off with the bully-boy management style or clear his desk. I'll even do it for him if he wants. It would be a pleasure. Mr Thomson does seem to have a somewhat dour and abrasive nature - not one predisposed to negotiation or mediation. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxman2000 Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 59 minutes ago, Hmmmm said: Mr Thomson does seem to have a somewhat dour and abrasive nature - not one predisposed to negotiation or mediation. Yes, he is not a nice man at all and probably not the man for the packet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxweegie Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 2 hours ago, Manxman2000 said: only 10% of crews live on the island, that is a surprise. The packet pay well why no uptake on jobs or are the foreign crew members cheaper to employ through Guernsey crewing. So no job offers on island. Not at all surprising considering some of the training required and associated cost of said training. Packet pay very well, and the crew on perm/temp assignments are paid the exact same base day rate (although some crew have seniority pay etc.) Regardless of where their contract is issued. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 2 hours ago, Manxman2000 said: only 10% of crews live on the island, I think that depends on how you define “live on the Island” 1. You’re born here, have your only home on Island and your family is here = 10% 2. You’re born elsewhere, normally return there at the end of each contracted period of employment, or for extended leave, but either live on ship or in rented or SPCo provided accommodation in Douglas. Those are the two extremes. Lots of in between positions. I think Thomson uses 1. And ignores lots of those who fit in 2 or the inbetweens who realistically live on island or are tax resident here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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