littlebushy Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 You can say that again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxanne Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 IOM Today reporting that Tesco are taking over Shoprite's warehouse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Roger Mexico said: I'm not sure that will work. Even if the larger Port Erin, Peel and Ramsey shops become 'proper' Tesco stores rather than Expresses, they may not have the same range or choice as Lake Road and people may still be going in there for their main shop if they went before. And of course the majority of people work in Douglas, so it may still be more convenient to go there before going home. And the Tesco Expresses won't just be more expensive than the others, they'll have much less range and possibly lack budget lines. So they may get less use than they did as Shoprite, though they might stock more in the way of convenience food (sandwiches, ready meals) than they did before. Not so sure, by the time you get rid of Subway in Port Erin, and the chemist in Ramsey, give them a redesign, and there will be plenty of space to stock a large Tesco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 40 minutes ago, Cambon said: Not so sure, by the time you get rid of Subway in Port Erin, and the chemist in Ramsey, give them a redesign, and there will be plenty of space to stock a large Tesco. Nothing like as large as Lake Road though. I've just measured up the areas on Manngis and total floor space comes up as: Port Erin 1770 sq m Peel 1875 sq m Ramsey 1870 sq m Tesco Lake Road 4375 sq m All very rough but you can see that the current Tesco is much bigger than any two of these together. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Roger Mexico said: Nothing like as large as Lake Road though. I've just measured up the areas on Manngis and total floor space comes up as: Port Erin 1770 sq m Peel 1875 sq m Ramsey 1870 sq m Tesco Lake Road 4375 sq m All very rough but you can see that the current Tesco is much bigger than any two of these together. I agree. However, Lake Road includes considerable stores, large staff canteen, public toilets, convenience store and bakery, which are unlikely to go. The other three all have concessions in that will be going. Results will not be dissimilar in useable space. Edited October 17, 2023 by Cambon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mollag Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 WC Wilson's, Shoprites warehouse opposite the Power station, contains a huge freezer and oodles of shelf goods storage. I spoke with a Tesco staff member earlier in the year, he was under the impression Tesco were very frustrated with the struggle for expansion permissions, Shoprite being a serial objecter, they sought permission to add another floor to Lake road, but no. Personally I always thought The Lake road a poor position, the Cooil road area would have been better, particularly for non Douglas residents wanting a Tesco shop. The Lake road was a great oppo to bring residenial accomodation back into the heart of the town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 48 minutes ago, mollag said: WC Wilson's, Shoprites warehouse opposite the Power station, contains a huge freezer and oodles of shelf goods storage. I spoke with a Tesco staff member earlier in the year, he was under the impression Tesco were very frustrated with the struggle for expansion permissions, Shoprite being a serial objecter, they sought permission to add another floor to Lake road, but no. Personally I always thought The Lake road a poor position, the Cooil road area would have been better, particularly for non Douglas residents wanting a Tesco shop. The Lake road was a great oppo to bring residenial accomodation back into the heart of the town. Did Shoprite object to the mezzanine planning? Did they get party status? It was refused on purely planning grounds, is my recollection. I sort of agree about Lake Road, however a lot of it was owned by government ( Railway land ) as well as ex Quiggins/Timber Yard, and it was a brown field site. Whereas at the time Cooil Road wasn’t zoned for retail, and was controlled by IOM Industrial Development Co Ltd and nothing was zoned on Ballapaddag side. I’m still surprised at what has been allowed south of Cooil Road. Im uncertain about building anything on a flood plain. May not be the best place for housing long term. Coop put the deal and plans together for Lake Road and then sold out to Tesco. At the end of the day we are moving to the 15 minute city concept. I don’t think we will get any more large out of town retail built. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 the 15 minute city concept will last about that long 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 35 minutes ago, John Wright said: Did Shoprite object to the mezzanine planning? Did they get party status? It was refused on purely planning grounds, is my recollection. I sort of agree about Lake Road, however a lot of it was owned by government ( Railway land ) as well as ex Quiggins/Timber Yard, and it was a brown field site. Whereas at the time Cooil Road wasn’t zoned for retail, and was controlled by IOM Industrial Development Co Ltd and nothing was zoned on Ballapaddag side. I’m still surprised at what has been allowed south of Cooil Road. Im uncertain about building anything on a flood plain. May not be the best place for housing long term. Coop put the deal and plans together for Lake Road and then sold out to Tesco. At the end of the day we are moving to the 15 minute city concept. I don’t think we will get any more large out of town retail built. Flood plain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mollag Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 34 minutes ago, John Wright said: Did Shoprite object to the mezzanine planning? Did they get party status? It was refused on purely planning grounds, is my recollection. I sort of agree about Lake Road, however a lot of it was owned by government ( Railway land ) as well as ex Quiggins/Timber Yard, and it was a brown field site. Whereas at the time Cooil Road wasn’t zoned for retail, and was controlled by IOM Industrial Development Co Ltd and nothing was zoned on Ballapaddag side. I’m still surprised at what has been allowed south of Cooil Road. Im uncertain about building anything on a flood plain. May not be the best place for housing long term. Coop put the deal and plans together for Lake Road and then sold out to Tesco. At the end of the day we are moving to the 15 minute city concept. I don’t think we will get any more large out of town retail built. It would needs be raised John, not impossible, the milestone area section was raised quite a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mollag Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, Happier diner said: Flood plain? Hence the name Lake Road, in the right conditions it would flood up as far as the Quarter bridge, big tides meet melt watet / heavy rainfall, it still occurs to a degree. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 15 minutes ago, mollag said: Hence the name Lake Road, in the right conditions it would flood up as far as the Quarter bridge, big tides meet melt watet / heavy rainfall, it still occurs to a degree. I didn't say it couldn't flood. It's just not what I picture when I think of flood plain. I could of course be wrong. It's a steep sided valley to me. More of a Boscastle than a vale of York? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 20 minutes ago, Happier diner said: Flood plain? Before the railway was built the whole area below Peel Road to the river Glass was a marshy lake. Including Hills Meadow and the NSC. The river was straightened, banks were built to give it a defined channel. The railway line to Peel is on a raised embankment. That allowed the land between the line and Peel Road and the railway to be drained. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 1 minute ago, John Wright said: Before the railway was built the whole area below Peel Road to the river Glass was a marshy lake. Including Hills Meadow and the NSC. The river was straightened, banks were built to give it a defined channel. The railway line to Peel is on a raised embankment. That allowed the land between the line and Peel Road and the railway to be drained. Was the area below Peel Road, where the railway station is, blasted ? Just that if you look at Railway Terrace from the car park, it looks like a cliff and the properties are built on stilts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 4 minutes ago, John Wright said: Before the railway was built the whole area below Peel Road to the river Glass was a marshy lake. Including Hills Meadow and the NSC. The river was straightened, banks were built to give it a defined channel. The railway line to Peel is on a raised embankment. That allowed the land between the line and Peel Road and the railway to be drained. It's interesting. Is an area of flood risk a flood plain though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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