IOM Post Office Profits down 66 percent

[Banker]

30 minutes ago, Cueey Lewis And The News said:

To be fair it seems to be arthritic snail mail now. Between IOM Post and the SPC how to make an abysmal premium priced service even more abysmal. The typical Manx public sector reverse Midas touch that’s almost the IOMs trademark now. 

you’re getting more like Offshore ManxMan & his other alter egos every day, careful 😂

[woolley]

21 hours ago, A fool and his money..... said:

I think having to go back half a century for an example says a lot. How's the British car industry these days? 

And having waited three years for fibre to be available in my area (2 years after MT said it would be) I now have to wait 6-8weeks for a survey, let alone an installation - despite the taxpayer still having to put tens of millions into infrastructure, 40 years after they were privatised (despite them having a monopoly for most of that time and huge profits for all of it).

ETA. I'm not sure if you're retired, or posting on your weekend off work. Either way you've probably got a union to thank, and the unions are still here.

That's wrong on just about every level.

I have to go back almost half a century for examples because most of them were privatised and banished in the 80s. There are few modern parallels, thank goodness. Bit like admonishing me for reaching back 80 years for an example of a major war in Europe. There's no other option.

How's the British car industry today? For certain it would have been no better if they'd continued to pour taxpayers' cash down the black holes that were the socialist republics of Longbridge and Cowley to feed the fantasies of Red Robbo, agitator of 523 strikes, and his merry men. Good riddance! Also, the British, unlike say, the Germans, are terrible at investing in home industries. I know it's heresy in the current globalised world, but I would make it much more tax efficient to for UK taxpayers to invest at home rather than abroad. Successive UK governments since Thatcher have effectively done the opposite with their laissez-faire financial policies and lack of any guiding industrial strategy. Political dwarves offering only short termist folly, and no future vision.

I don't know where you are, or why you've waited 3 years for fibre, but it's new technology requiring major infrastructure installation to new (and maybe remote?) areas. Hardly the same thing I was alluding to with running the old copper wire from the nearest telegraph pole in the middle of major cities. They were a hugely overmanned state monopoly and they simply couldn't be arsed. Incidentally, do you think fibre would reach you any quicker if DoI were doing the honours? Not cheerleading for MT, by the way. Far from it. There should be far stronger regulation of them too.

I'm not retired. At least I don't tell anybody I am. I still head the business, but I don't do anything like as much as I did. 70 hour weeks are well behind me, for sure. I have a trusted team, you see, and you have to learn to let go. Sometimes I don't even put in an appearance for several days at a stretch in the hope that they'll worry about me. 😎  I think it's making me lazy.

I was a union member as a very young man, so I know more about it than you might suppose. In fact I was an activist and a member of the Communist Party as a teenager, looking forward to the revolution with starry eyes. A few years of rubbing shoulders with some miniature Red Robbos in chapel meetings gradually disabused me and taught me they were all raving lunatics. Never anything constructive. Mad as a box of frogs with only wrecking and causing trouble on their minds. In the workplace, union membership actually pulled me back because all they wanted to do was level everyone to the same pay and conditions, so those of us with more initiative lost increments and bonuses to fund a general pay rise for the also rans and wasters, but hey, I'm not bitter......

I haven't worked for anyone else since my late 20s. Life is a process. Eventually the light goes on and you wise up. You realise you can't change the world so you move along the spectrum and build for yourself and your family in the system we have rather than perfect one we would like. Or you can be for ever a dreamer, like Corbyn or Benn.

[Gladys]

21 hours ago, Cueey Lewis And The News said:

To be fair it seems to be arthritic snail mail now. Between IOM Post and the SPC how to make an abysmal premium priced service even more abysmal. The typical Manx public sector reverse Midas touch that’s almost the IOMs trademark now. 

Quite an achievement for a snail to get arthritis. 

[doc.fixit]

3 hours ago, woolley said:

That's wrong on just about every level.

I have to go back almost half a century for examples because most of them were privatised and banished in the 80s. There are few modern parallels, thank goodness. Bit like admonishing me for reaching back 80 years for an example of a major war in Europe. There's no other option.

How's the British car industry today? For certain it would have been no better if they'd continued to pour taxpayers' cash down the black holes that were the socialist republics of Longbridge and Cowley to feed the fantasies of Red Robbo, agitator of 523 strikes, and his merry men. Good riddance! Also, the British, unlike say, the Germans, are terrible at investing in home industries. I know it's heresy in the current globalised world, but I would make it much more tax efficient to for UK taxpayers to invest at home rather than abroad. Successive UK governments since Thatcher have effectively done the opposite with their laissez-faire financial policies and lack of any guiding industrial strategy. Political dwarves offering only short termist folly, and no future vision.

I don't know where you are, or why you've waited 3 years for fibre, but it's new technology requiring major infrastructure installation to new (and maybe remote?) areas. Hardly the same thing I was alluding to with running the old copper wire from the nearest telegraph pole in the middle of major cities. They were a hugely overmanned state monopoly and they simply couldn't be arsed. Incidentally, do you think fibre would reach you any quicker if DoI were doing the honours? Not cheerleading for MT, by the way. Far from it. There should be far stronger regulation of them too.

I'm not retired. At least I don't tell anybody I am. I still head the business, but I don't do anything like as much as I did. 70 hour weeks are well behind me, for sure. I have a trusted team, you see, and you have to learn to let go. Sometimes I don't even put in an appearance for several days at a stretch in the hope that they'll worry about me. 😎  I think it's making me lazy.

I was a union member as a very young man, so I know more about it than you might suppose. In fact I was an activist and a member of the Communist Party as a teenager, looking forward to the revolution with starry eyes. A few years of rubbing shoulders with some miniature Red Robbos in chapel meetings gradually disabused me and taught me they were all raving lunatics. Never anything constructive. Mad as a box of frogs with only wrecking and causing trouble on their minds. In the workplace, union membership actually pulled me back because all they wanted to do was level everyone to the same pay and conditions, so those of us with more initiative lost increments and bonuses to fund a general pay rise for the also rans and wasters, but hey, I'm not bitter......

I haven't worked for anyone else since my late 20s. Life is a process. Eventually the light goes on and you wise up. You realise you can't change the world so you move along the spectrum and build for yourself and your family in the system we have rather than perfect one we would like. Or you can be for ever a dreamer, like Corbyn or Benn.

Similar experience with working for Norton Villiers in Wolverhampton just before their demise. Exactly the situation with the unions which created an impasse between the foundry workers and the production line that the company could not survive  and soon after, they crashed.

However there are instances in history where, before the unions became nests of dissidence and too powerful, they did  help the workers to get better working conditions and wages in some industries.

Edited November 5, 2023 by doc.fixit

[Stu Peters]

When I was a teenager my dad gave me a copy of ‘The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists’ by Robert Tressell. My old man was a gentle soul prepared to consider every point of view, he aspired to a better life for his family through hard work and he was proudly working class.

I think you can be a capitalist and a socialist at the same time, by taking the best of each philosophy and ignoring the extreme nonsense.

[Cueey Lewis And The News]

A sensible move why shouldn’t you be able to drop off a DHL at the post office to send if they have a collection agreement in place? 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12719353/Post-Office-ends-exclusive-relationship-Royal-Mail-deal-evri-dpd.html

[Stu Peters]

10 hours ago, Cueey Lewis And The News said:

A sensible move why shouldn’t you be able to drop off a DHL at the post office to send if they have a collection agreement in place? 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12719353/Post-Office-ends-exclusive-relationship-Royal-Mail-deal-evri-dpd.html

Looking at the article provides most answers to that - mass redundancies and the race to the bottom I talked about previously. We know from airlines that cheap might appeal, until it goes wrong.

[Cueey Lewis And The News]

24 minutes ago, Stu Peters said:

Looking at the article provides most answers to that - mass redundancies and the race to the bottom I talked about previously. We know from airlines that cheap might appeal, until it goes wrong.

You don’t have any posties to make redundant over here. Just a load of massively paid managers overseeing a too big service. A race to the bottom? Well you’ve already done that on service just not on overheads and wages. This is most certainly the future and the only way to make things viable. 

Edited November 7, 2023 by Cueey Lewis And The News

[A fool and his money.....]

On 11/5/2023 at 5:52 PM, Stu Peters said:

When I was a teenager my dad gave me a copy of ‘The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists’ by Robert Tressell. My old man was a gentle soul prepared to consider every point of view, he aspired to a better life for his family through hard work and he was proudly working class.

I think you can be a capitalist and a socialist at the same time, by taking the best of each philosophy and ignoring the extreme nonsense.

I think there's a lot in that to be honest. There's nothing wrong with aspiring to a better life for your family through hard work, just don't look down on people who haven't made it or assume that they're not working hard too.

[WTF]

1 hour ago, Stu Peters said:

Looking at the article provides most answers to that - mass redundancies and the race to the bottom I talked about previously. We know from airlines that cheap might appeal, until it goes wrong.

well we must have the most expensive CS per head of population and the place is still a shit show so money doesn't equal working well.

[Banker]

1 hour ago, Cueey Lewis And The News said:

You don’t have any posties to make redundant over here. Just a load of massively paid managers overseeing a too big service. A race to the bottom? Well you’ve already done that on service just not on overheads and wages. This is most certainly the future and the only way to make things viable. 

As you’re an expert perhaps you can provide the breakdown of massively paid managers, their salaries & job titles ? Please not your usual I was told , I understand bollocks but some actual facts & evidence !

[Cueey Lewis And The News]

24 minutes ago, Banker said:

As you’re an expert perhaps you can provide the breakdown of massively paid managers, their salaries & job titles ? Please not your usual I was told , I understand bollocks but some actual facts & evidence !

Haven’t you yourself already done that. Or was it an alter ego. There seem to be two polar opposites in this thread arguing with each other. The post office has a huge number of people paid over £50K a year. Those aren’t postmen. The breakdown has already been published on here. 

Edited November 7, 2023 by Cueey Lewis And The News

[Banker]

40 minutes ago, Cueey Lewis And The News said:

Haven’t you yourself already done that. Or was it an alter ego. There seem to be two polar opposites in this thread arguing with each other. The post office has a huge number of people paid over £50K a year. Those aren’t postmen. The breakdown has already been published on here. 

I thought you couldn’t provide evidence as usual just your normal bollocks 😂

[Cueey Lewis And The News]

5 minutes ago, Banker said:

I thought you couldn’t provide evidence as usual just your normal bollocks 😂

I non believe you. 

[Non-Believer]

1 hour ago, Cueey Lewis And The News said:

Haven’t you yourself already done that. Or was it an alter ego. There seem to be two polar opposites in this thread arguing with each other. The post office has a huge number of people paid over £50K a year. Those aren’t postmen. The breakdown has already been published on here. 

@Roger Mexico was good enough to post up some of the salary structure a bit earlier in the thread.