IOM Post Office Profits down 66 percent

[Two-lane]

8 hours ago, Roger Mexico said:

No management had been sent any letters.

"A review of the Mail's management is ongoing"

A quick Internet search does not give any information about this ongoing review.

[Non-Believer]

10 minutes ago, Two-lane said:

"A review of the Mail's management is ongoing"

A quick Internet search does not give any information about this ongoing review.

Some of those notified for redundancy have been "offered" the hope of "alternative" employment but that involves re-signing on much reduced terms to those they are currently on.

So disappointing that even greater savings are not contemplated by offering the same to the paid Chair and Board members, executive and senior management.

[Banker]

8 hours ago, Non-Believer said:

Some of those notified for redundancy have been "offered" the hope of "alternative" employment but that involves re-signing on much reduced terms to those they are currently on.

So disappointing that even greater savings are not contemplated by offering the same to the paid Chair and Board members, executive and senior management.

The union boss seems to have a different view to you, no surprise as he knows the facts not your made up crap!!

no one offered reduced terms, no compulsory redundancy 

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/union-confident-compulsory-redundancies-at-post-office-off-the-table/

[Non-Believer]

1 hour ago, Banker said:

The union boss seems to have a different view to you, no surprise as he knows the facts not your made up crap!!

no one offered reduced terms, no compulsory redundancy 

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/union-confident-compulsory-redundancies-at-post-office-off-the-table/

Is this the same @Banker who claimed only a few pages back that not only talk of redundancies was made up, but also that there was no excessive management structure? And that Parcelforce was a tiny percentage of the volume?  

Nowhere in this thread have I used the term, "compulsory redundancies". Stu Peters has used the term "mass redundancies", perhaps you are confusing posts, along with your other confusion. Clearly, for example, you do not understand the term "redeployment opportunities" used in the article you've just linked to either.

A small number of the proposed, the "Postmen Higher Grades" (@ 4), primarily employed in the processing of the former "Special Delivery" airmail, have been offered "redeployment" on lesser terms than their current contracts. It is extremely unlikely that all 20+ affected employees will be offered such, not to mention the casual staff who have already gone.

Edited November 15, 2023 by Non-Believer
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[Banker]

53 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

Is this the same @Banker who claimed only a few pages back that not only talk of redundancies was made up, but also that there was no excessive management structure? And that Parcelforce was a tiny percentage of the volume?  

Nowhere in this thread have I used the term, "compulsory redundancies". Stu Peters has used the term "mass redundancies", perhaps you are confusing posts, along with your other confusion. Clearly, for example, you do not understand the term "redeployment opportunities" used in the article you've just linked to either.

A small number of the proposed, the "Postmen Higher Grades" (@ 4), primarily employed in the processing of the former "Special Delivery" airmail, have been offered "redeployment" on lesser terms than their current contracts. It is extremely unlikely that all 20+ affected employees will be offered such, not to mention the casual staff who have already gone.

You talk bollocks, casual staff are just as the title employed in a casual basis when there’s work, no one has been offered lesser terms unless you don’t believe Union boss and no compulsory redundancy!!

[Non-Believer]

23 minutes ago, Banker said:

You talk bollocks, casual staff are just as the title employed in a casual basis when there’s work, no one has been offered lesser terms unless you don’t believe Union boss and no compulsory redundancy!!

You are the only poster who has mentioned compulsory redundancy.

There are at least two postal workers who have contributed to this thread who would have corrected any incorrect information, had I posted any.

Sometime ago I posted of 20+ people warned for redundancy in January. That has been proved correct. Redeployment possibility (for a very few) has also been proved correct by your own link. The reduced terms part will out in time.

The only poster who has contributed bollocks has been yourself, and utter bollocks at that; as usual.

[Cueey Lewis And The News]

A non believable trail of reflection.

I wonder if there will be anyone left to actually deliver or sort letters after this round or will the admin staff and managers just be sat there overseeing a load of “gig economy” drivers they apparently despise so much doing all the work? 

[Banker]

Royal Mail making more huge losses but I’m sure non believer will have the answer to issues😂

Falling letters numbers, making workers start later to cut planes etc, want loss making letter deliveries to stop in Saturdays 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/nov/16/royal-mail-christmas-bonus-losses-universal-service-obligation

[Non-Believer]

57 minutes ago, Banker said:

Royal Mail making more huge losses but I’m sure non believer will have the answer to issues😂

Falling letters numbers, making workers start later to cut planes etc, want loss making letter deliveries to stop in Saturdays 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/nov/16/royal-mail-christmas-bonus-losses-universal-service-obligation

Indeed. RM's solution will doubtless be the same as IoM PO's.

Keep paying ridiculous sums of money to equally ridiculous numbers of questionably competent executives and management (and shareholders in RM's case) whilst attempting to blame postmen and their own customers for all the losses and ills.

[Banker]

14 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

Indeed. RM's solution will doubtless be the same as IoM PO's.

Keep paying ridiculous sums of money to equally ridiculous numbers of questionably competent executives and management (and shareholders in RM's case) whilst attempting to blame postmen and their own customers for all the losses and ills.

Nothing to do with massive global decline in letters and requirement to deliver to every address no matter distance for same price or gig economy who will do everything cheapest because they don’t offer good terms & wouldn’t touch letter delivery with a barge pole then?? No of course not in your blinkered world of fat cat managers & down trodden workers 😂

[TheTeapot]

17 minutes ago, Banker said:

Nothing to do with massive global decline in letters and requirement to deliver to every address no matter distance for same price or gig economy who will do everything cheapest because they don’t offer good terms & wouldn’t touch letter delivery with a barge pole then?? No of course not in your blinkered world of fat cat managers & down trodden workers 😂

Seeing as you are clearly an expert, can I ask you some questions? How many addresses would you think are on an average round? Roughly what percentage of those do you think get letter post? Roughly how many actual letters do you think that is? How many packages/parcels would a post person deliver on an average day as well as those letters? I ask, because you seem to be very critical especially of NB, and it is important to know what you know to see if what you have to say is valid.

Edit - I invite other people to have a go at answering some of these questions.

Edited November 16, 2023 by TheTeapot

[Non-Believer]

33 minutes ago, TheTeapot said:

Seeing as you are clearly an expert, can I ask you some questions? How many addresses would you think are on an average round? Roughly what percentage of those do you think get letter post? Roughly how many actual letters do you think that is? How many packages/parcels would a post person deliver on an average day as well as those letters? I ask, because you seem to be very critical especially of NB, and it is important to know what you know to see if what you have to say is valid.

Edit - I invite other people to have a go at answering some of these questions.

Well, @Banker doesn't think that Parcelforce was a huge volume of mail for the Post Office to lose.

Probably based on having bought a pushbike off the Internet once that was delivered by PF...

 

[Stu Peters]

On 11/14/2023 at 10:25 PM, Non-Believer said:

Some of those notified for redundancy have been "offered" the hope of "alternative" employment but that involves re-signing on much reduced terms to those they are currently on.

So disappointing that even greater savings are not contemplated by offering the same to the paid Chair and Board members, executive and senior management.

Because my fifty quid a week will employ a dozen postal workers?

[Banker]

22 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

Well, @Banker doesn't think that Parcelforce was a huge volume of mail for the Post Office to lose.

Probably based on having bought a pushbike off the Internet once that was delivered by PF...

 

I said I didn’t know but you seem to do what are tge volumes purely for parcel force?

[Cueey Lewis And The News]

2 hours ago, TheTeapot said:

Edit - I invite other people to have a go at answering some of these questions.

I’d be guessing that every one of the 20 people facing redundancy (if they are at the coal face) will, in time, be replaced by the type of “gig economy” workers IOM Post claims to hate so much (ie, zero hours workers paid per package). As it’s the only way to make the delivery chain financially viable.