Gladys Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 hour ago, P.K. said: If the Sea Services Agreement has turned out, in practice, to be lacking in some areas than altering it to be more in line with the actual operational requirements makes perfect sense. Although I'm not sure the word "reset" is appropriate... I keep hearing the term "allowed to run as a business" but you have to acknowledge there has been a massive sea change (sorry...) in the business model. As a publicly owned enterprise it essentially no longer has a bottom line to be concerned about. Of course, "funding the future of the business" is essential but I don't want to see too much profit meaning folks are being taxed twice. Of course, it's a balance that gov are bound to get badly wrong as per... It still has the bottom line to worry about, although owned by IOMG it is still a private commercial enterprise, just happens to be in public ownership. It still has loans and shareholders dividends to service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cissolt Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Interesting exchange in the keys. The Manxman is restricted in winter and bad weather, to 658 passengers due to lack of safety equipment. They do have 1400 lifejackets though, which is noce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newaccount Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 56 minutes ago, cissolt said: They do have 1400 lifejackets though, which is noce Do some passengers put two on? Capacity 958 isn't it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 3 hours ago, cissolt said: Interesting exchange in the keys. The Manxman is restricted in winter and bad weather, to 658 passengers due to lack of safety equipment. They do have 1400 lifejackets though, which is noce 2 hours ago, newaccount said: Do some passengers put two on? Capacity 958 isn't it ? There are 4 muster stations. You can’t guarantee the passengers will divide equally between then. So you have to over provide. Plus babies and young persons. So instead of 240 per muster station they’ve got 350. Not a biggie. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omobono Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 there is a limit to the number of survivors you can cram into a rescue helicopter , and if the ship lists you will be down to 2 muster stations , I wouldn't like to be sliding down one of those chutes from the upper deck into a life raft , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 9 hours ago, cissolt said: The Manxman is restricted in winter and bad weather, to 658 passengers due to lack of safety equipment I wonder which safety equipment is lacking, and why is it ok for the ship to sink in summer with more than 658 passengers on board but not in winter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercenary Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 22 minutes ago, Two-lane said: I wonder which safety equipment is lacking, and why is it ok for the ship to sink in summer with more than 658 passengers on board but not in winter. Plenty of logical explanations (perhaps evacuation time is quicker in daylight than in darkness), is it so far fetched to assume that IOMSPCo & Shipping Registry know what they're doing and to leave it to them? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A fool and his money..... Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 11 hours ago, Gladys said: It still has the bottom line to worry about, although owned by IOMG it is still a private commercial enterprise, just happens to be in public ownership. It still has loans and shareholders dividends to service. And that's the nonsense of it. We're many millions into it but it's still to all intents and purposes a private company. Madness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred the shred Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Surely, oh surely, you would not want the Government to go within a million miles of trying to run a business that we are dependent on ? They have proved time and time again that their expertise is turning anything they are associated with into a total money losing enterprise. They could not be trusted to run a race or organise a piss up in a Brewery. Don’t let them near a costly venture which happens to be our lifeline it would end in failure that is a certainty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cueey Lewis And The News Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 22 hours ago, cissolt said: Interesting exchange in the keys. The Manxman is restricted in winter and bad weather, to 658 passengers due to lack of safety equipment. They do have 1400 lifejackets though, which is noce Remember when everyone pointing out how few lifeboats was told they didn’t know what they were talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frances Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 Isn't the 658 figure that of the Ben and under which safety regs the Manxman with its totally different layout + safety system are operating - I wonder if they could do an evacuation in a force 6 let alone a force 8/9 - to me it's looking much too like a summer season cruise boat not a lifeline (or even a reliable link). My guess is that Arrow will soon take over the freight. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercenary Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 2 hours ago, Cueey Lewis And The News said: Remember when everyone pointing out how few lifeboats was told they didn’t know what they were talking about? How do you know it has anything to do with number of lifeboats? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 19 minutes ago, Mercenary said: How do you know it has anything to do with number of lifeboats? Wouldn't the amount of these mandatory safety items be determined by max pax and crew numbers rather than sailing conditions? So the always have to equip for the max no. of people on board they can carry? So, they wouldn't reduce the number of life jackets when sailing in calm seas, for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 16 hours ago, Two-lane said: I wonder which safety equipment is lacking, and why is it ok for the ship to sink in summer with more than 658 passengers on board but not in winter. You'd survive for quite a while bobbing about in the sea with just a life jacket in the Summer. Middle of winter, you'd be lucky to last an hour. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercenary Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 5 minutes ago, Gladys said: Wouldn't the amount of these mandatory safety items be determined by max pax and crew numbers rather than sailing conditions? So the always have to equip for the max no. of people on board they can carry? So, they wouldn't reduce the number of life jackets when sailing in calm seas, for example. Would agree. Would imagine reduction more to do with either reduced staffing or slower egress times in dark. Really it's a non-issue anyway as the winter sailings are not going to be filling 650+ pax. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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