Banker Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 As well as all civil servants Tynwald members will get 6% back dated to April, don’t think this will please general public! https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/civil-service-workers-to-get-6-pay-rise/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passing Time Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 Seems they can push anything through that benefits them... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Buggane Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 You bet your ass. Wonder if some are still claiming tax relief for parking since they have not been charged for at least three years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Christian Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 29 minutes ago, Passing Time said: Seems they can push anything through that benefits them... I know everyone will hate this - but isn’t the pay rise decisions completely taken away from MHKs (and MLCs) now and not voted for in Tynwald, and instead awarded completely independently? No one will ever win the argument over pay though - as I’ve posted before: pay too little and you get only the independently wealthy wanting to do it, pay to much and a lot will do it for the money. An unwinable argument wherever you sit. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyDave Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Banker said: As well as all civil servants Tynwald members will get 6% back dated to April, don’t think this will please general public! https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/civil-service-workers-to-get-6-pay-rise/ Agreed Because the general public are stupid. It’s the same pay rise as the rest of the civil service, and if we don’t pay decent money we won’t get decent applicants at the next election. This intake are a car crash, but bump the money into six figures and you might start seeing decent people putting themselves forward. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wake Up Call Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 We vote them in there. Nobody can argue with an inflation matching wage rise in public service. The free parking for civil servants is another issue. Our green agenda is promoting active travel and buses. This doesn't fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 I once got a a 10% + pay rise ( maybe nearer to 15%) . Nobody made a big fuss about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cissolt Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 44 minutes ago, Steve_Christian said: I know everyone will hate this - but isn’t the pay rise decisions completely taken away from MHKs (and MLCs) now and not voted for in Tynwald, and instead awarded completely independently? No one will ever win the argument over pay though - as I’ve posted before: pay too little and you get only the independently wealthy wanting to do it, pay to much and a lot will do it for the money. An unwinable argument wherever you sit. Does air miles Alf deserve a 30% pay rise? He's banged on about an island plan for two years and achieved nothing. His crowning achievement is signing off on the Liverpool landing stage. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyDave Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 5 minutes ago, cissolt said: Does air miles Alf deserve a 30% pay rise? He's banged on about an island plan for two years and achieved nothing. His crowning achievement is signing off on the Liverpool landing stage. What do you expect him to have announced, planned and implemented on two years? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 1 hour ago, CrazyDave said: Agreed Because the general public are stupid. It’s the same pay rise as the rest of the civil service, and if we don’t pay decent money we won’t get decent applicants at the next election. This intake are a car crash, but bump the money into six figures and you might start seeing decent people putting themselves forward. Decent applicants? Thats a joke, but the last few General Elections haven’t been any different. If the politico salary was increased to over £80k excluding serving in departments etc, there would still be likely to get the same kind of candidates, a better class of farmer, postman, civil servant and granny farmer. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 1 hour ago, The Voice of Reason said: I once got a a 10% + pay rise ( maybe nearer to 15%) . Nobody made a big fuss about that. Good for you. Maybe your employer could afford that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 Question we all have to ask and in turn answer. Do we get value for money from our MHK’s and MLC’s . Do they realistically earn the salaries and additional benefits . Basic MHK’s 75k . I have to say lots certainly don’t . 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passing Time Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 2 hours ago, CrazyDave said: Agreed Because the general public are stupid. It’s the same pay rise as the rest of the civil service, and if we don’t pay decent money we won’t get decent applicants at the next election. This intake are a car crash, but bump the money into six figures and you might start seeing decent people putting themselves forward. Are you saying we have decent MHK’s now? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyDave Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 11 minutes ago, Passing Time said: Are you saying we have decent MHK’s now? Did “this intake are a car crash” make you think I thought we had decent ones now? How? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 6 hours ago, Numbnuts said: Question we all have to ask and in turn answer. Do we get value for money from our MHK’s and MLC’s . Do they realistically earn the salaries and additional benefits . Basic MHK’s 75k . I have to say lots certainly don’t . No amount of money will compensate for the lack of breadth and depth in quality available within the population. Tynwald in the past have awarded themselves considerable payrises and along with the more normal (such as now), the justification has always been that, "We need to attract the right people". But regardless of the money; we always attract the same sort of people because they are the only ones available. Combine that with a flawed democratic system and it is why we are where we are. We could pay them a million each p.a. but we wouldn't get any better candidates. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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