Tynwald members get pay rise

[The Voice of Reason]

1 minute ago, finlo said:

Oh I think you do, this place has been destroyed by these arseholes.

No honestly I don’t 

[finlo]

2 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said:

No honestly I don’t 

30 odd years of decorators and shopkeepers has not served us well.

[Jarndyce]

19 minutes ago, finlo said:

30 odd years of decorators and shopkeepers has not served us well.

…and farmers: don’t forget farmers…and bar staff…

[Banker]

2 minutes ago, Jarndyce said:

…and farmers: don’t forget farmers…and bar staff…

And pharmacists! 

[Jarndyce]

1 minute ago, Banker said:

And pharmacists! 

Good grief, yes!   I forgot about The Flying Scotsman!

[finlo]

1 minute ago, Banker said:

And pharmacists! 

They at least may have half a brain!

[Roger Mexico]

To get back on topic, there aren't many ways of measuring the productivity of MHKs, but one of them must be the number of questions they ask in Tynwald and Keys.  I did an analysis for the 2022-23 meetings based on how many each MHK according to Order and Question Papers (so a few may never have actually been asked, but presumably some work was put in.  This is from October 2022 to July 2023 inclusive - I'll look at Written Questions later - and here's the leader board:

Moorhouse	182
Ashford	91
Glover	31
Christian	28
Caine	20
Watterson	19
Haywood	11
Faragher	10
Wannenburgh	9
Maltby	5
Corlett	4
Crookall	4
Johnston	3
Sharpe	3
Peters	2
	422

I've included the only MLC who asked any oral questions - Sharpe who asked three linked ones in Tynwald (none were asked in LegCo itself).

None of you will be surprised to see that Moorhouse is still the super soaraway winner.  He actually asked 43% of all questions on his own and asked at least four questions in every single sitting.  However Ashford, booted out of CoMin in May 2022 came in as a keen second.  People tend to forget he was the Moorhouse of 2016-17 and he's keen to make sure that no one forgets him.  Though if you listen to his questions and follow-ups (he specialises in being patronising and inaccurate) you suspect the main reaction is that no one listening ever wants to be in the same CoMin as him ever again.

By convention Ministers aren't supposed to ask questions of their colleagues (though it can happen) and Johnston's and Crookall's were when they were out of CoMin.  Watterson as Speaker can only ask in Tynwald and his Deputy Caine tends to follow the same rule.  So those are OK scores.  But apart from them only three made double figures.  Smith didn't ask a single one.  Neither, astonishingly, did Callister, who was only a Minister for a short time at the start of the year.

Do oral questions matter?  They're not everything, but they do a bit, especially if they're done right.  They're basically a way of saying "What are you going to do about this?" and publicising a topic and maybe embarrassing the government.  Of course this relies on the MHK being well briefed so they can ask the right follow-ups and on the Minister not being so clueless that the replies consist of "Boo-hoo, you're not supposed to ask me complicated ones!"

They're also a good indicator of how reactive an MHK is to their constituents.  Because most such questions originate with them and it shows that people (including not from the constituency) are willing to approach the MHK for help and think it's worth it.

Edited to add:  Totals above are altered as originally did not include final Tynwald of the year due to spreadsheet error.  I'd hate to have you think that Moorhouse only asked 176 questions.

Edited December 2, 2023 by Roger Mexico

[Non-Believer]

45 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

To get back on topic, there aren't many ways of measuring the productivity of MHKs, but one of them must be the number of questions they ask in Tynwald and Keys.  I did an analysis for the 2022-23 meetings based on how many each MHK according to Order and Question Papers (so a few may never have actually been asked, but presumably some work was put in.  This is from October 2022 to July 2023 inclusive - I'll look at Written Questions later - and here's the leader board:

Moorhouse	174
Ashford	91
Glover	29
Christian	28
Caine	18
Watterson	17
Haywood	10
Faragher	9
Wannenburgh	9
Maltby	5
Corlett	4
Crookall	4
Johnston	3
Sharpe	3
Peters	2
	406

I've included the only MLC who asked any oral questions - Sharpe who asked three linked ones in Tynwald (none were asked in LegCo itself).

None of you will be surprised to see that Moorhouse is still the super soaraway winner.  He actually asked 43% of all questions on his own and asked at least four questions in every single sitting.  However Ashford, booted out of CoMin in May 2022 came in as a keen second.  People tend to forget he was the Moorhouse of 2016-17 and he's keen to make sure that no one forgets him.  Though if you listen to his questions and follow-ups (he specialises in being patronising and inaccurate) you suspect the main reaction is that no one listening ever wants to be in the same CoMin as him ever again.

By convention Ministers aren't supposed to ask questions of their colleagues (though it can happen) and Johnston's and Crookall's were when they were out of CoMin.  Watterson as Speaker can only ask in Tynwald and his Deputy Caine tends to follow the same rule.  So those are OK scores.  But apart from them only three made double figures.  Smith didn't ask a single one.  Neither, astonishingly, did Callister, who was only a Minister for a short time at the start of the year.

Do oral questions matter?  They're not everything, but they do a bit, especially if they're done right.  They're basically a way of saying "What are you going to do about this?" and publicising a topic and maybe embarrassing the government.  Of course this relies on the MHK being well briefed so they can ask the right follow-ups and on the Minister not being so clueless that the replies consist of "Boo-hoo, you're not supposed to ask me complicated ones!"

They're also a good indicator of how reactive an MHK is to their constituents.  Because most such questions originate with them and it shows that people (including not from the constituency) are willing to approach the MHK for help and think it's worth it.

Of course, Stu Peters has frequently posted that he doesn't subscribe to the theatrics of the Tynwald/Keys floor and prefers to be effective behind the scenes....given that he's bottom of the table, can we assume that he's doing far more of that nature than the others....?

Edited November 4, 2023 by Non-Believer
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[Banker]

7 hours ago, Non-Believer said:

Of course, Stu Peters has frequently posted that he doesn't subscribe to the theatrics of the Tynwald/Keys floor and prefers to be effective behind the scenes....given that he's bottom of the table, can we assume that he's doing far more of that nature than the others....?

Certainly more than moorehouse & ashford

[asitis]

8 hours ago, Roger Mexico said:

the Minister not being so clueless that the replies consist of "Boo-hoo, you're not supposed to ask me complicated ones!"

LOL, use the Teare get out, Minister what size shoes do you take ? T ... " I can't answer that it's commercially confidential".

Worked every time !

[KERED]

9 hours ago, Banker said:

And pharmacists! 

. . . . and Posties! 

[Beelzebub3]

9 hours ago, Roger Mexico said:

To get back on topic, there aren't many ways of measuring the productivity of MHKs, but one of them must be the number of questions they ask in Tynwald and Keys.  I did an analysis for the 2022-23 meetings based on how many each MHK according to Order and Question Papers (so a few may never have actually been asked, but presumably some work was put in.  This is from October 2022 to July 2023 inclusive - I'll look at Written Questions later - and here's the leader board:

Moorhouse	174
Ashford	91
Glover	29
Christian	28
Caine	18
Watterson	17
Haywood	10
Faragher	9
Wannenburgh	9
Maltby	5
Corlett	4
Crookall	4
Johnston	3
Sharpe	3
Peters	2
	406

I've included the only MLC who asked any oral questions - Sharpe who asked three linked ones in Tynwald (none were asked in LegCo itself).

None of you will be surprised to see that Moorhouse is still the super soaraway winner.  He actually asked 43% of all questions on his own and asked at least four questions in every single sitting.  However Ashford, booted out of CoMin in May 2022 came in as a keen second.  People tend to forget he was the Moorhouse of 2016-17 and he's keen to make sure that no one forgets him.  Though if you listen to his questions and follow-ups (he specialises in being patronising and inaccurate) you suspect the main reaction is that no one listening ever wants to be in the same CoMin as him ever again.

By convention Ministers aren't supposed to ask questions of their colleagues (though it can happen) and Johnston's and Crookall's were when they were out of CoMin.  Watterson as Speaker can only ask in Tynwald and his Deputy Caine tends to follow the same rule.  So those are OK scores.  But apart from them only three made double figures.  Smith didn't ask a single one.  Neither, astonishingly, did Callister, who was only a Minister for a short time at the start of the year.

Do oral questions matter?  They're not everything, but they do a bit, especially if they're done right.  They're basically a way of saying "What are you going to do about this?" and publicising a topic and maybe embarrassing the government.  Of course this relies on the MHK being well briefed so they can ask the right follow-ups and on the Minister not being so clueless that the replies consist of "Boo-hoo, you're not supposed to ask me complicated ones!"

They're also a good indicator of how reactive an MHK is to their constituents.  Because most such questions originate with them and it shows that people (including not from the constituency) are willing to approach the MHK for help and think it's worth it.

How many questions did Ashford ask while he was a member of Comin? and was there a large difference? just interested to see does being a member of Comin take your mind away from the people that elect them while they are at the top table.

[code99]

On 10/30/2023 at 9:27 PM, cissolt said:

Does air miles Alf deserve a 30% pay rise?  He's banged on about an island plan for two years and achieved nothing.  His crowning achievement is signing off on the Liverpool landing stage.

IMHO, none of them deserve pay rises/ uplifts: "Ministers, the Speaker and president receive uplifts of 15% while the Chief Minister gets an extra 30% and chairmen of the statutory boards get an additional 5%."

https://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/isle-of-man-politicians-get-6-pay-rise-647334

[Two-lane]

"Ministers, the Speaker and president receive uplifts of 15% while the Chief Minister gets an extra 30% "

Where on earth did that come from? Does anyone know how these increases were decided?

[Beelzebub3]

2 hours ago, code99 said:

IMHO, none of them deserve pay rises/ uplifts: "Ministers, the Speaker and president receive uplifts of 15% while the Chief Minister gets an extra 30% and chairmen of the statutory boards get an additional 5%."

https://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/isle-of-man-politicians-get-6-pay-rise-647334

I was under the impression that after the last pay rise there were no uplifts as minister etc. all MHKs got a fixed rate and that was it.