2112 Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 45 minutes ago, english zloty said: Yes it will go through Keys then up to LegCo for review, whereupon they can recommend amendments to be voted upon by Tynwald. A private member Bill is a risky business because there is no block vote and generally less scrutiny, because it's one person's baby, as opposed to department sponsored. Hooper did this once before (tenant rights) and it got through Tynwald despite being completely unworkable. So is now buried in the long grass. The decision of Keys today is interesting because it effectively removes the need for LegCo at all. And yet, LegCo still have to do their bit. The other thing is the Committee can only make recommendations for amendments but Keys still have to vote on each. Overall, I'm not sure why there is a committee at such an early stage and fearful it sets a dangerous precedent. They will set up endless committees, whenever, legislation proposed is up before the politicos and they are afraid, rightly or wrongly of making a decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
english zloty Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 1 minute ago, 2112 said: They will set up endless committees, whenever, legislation proposed is up before the politicos and they are afraid, rightly or wrongly of making a decision. That is the fear. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omobono Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 53 minutes ago, 2112 said: They will set up endless committees, whenever, legislation proposed is up before the politicos and they are afraid, rightly or wrongly of making a decision. it does not always have the backing of Government , and you need someone to take it in the legislative council when its gone through the keys if it ever gets that far Hooper is a busted flush Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred the shred Posted November 8, 2023 Author Share Posted November 8, 2023 At least he tried, this should have gone through in June. The brown nosed beauties have certainly been outed by this vote. What a disappointment Edge and Callister are they just keep on giving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred the shred Posted November 8, 2023 Author Share Posted November 8, 2023 I would much prefer Allinson and Hooper than the two Dummies we have Edge and Callister have got to be the worst pairing in Government although Glover and Moorehouse are very strong competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, english zloty said: The decision of Keys today is interesting because it effectively removes the need for LegCo at all. And yet, LegCo still have to do their bit. The other thing is the Committee can only make recommendations for amendments but Keys still have to vote on each. Overall, I'm not sure why there is a committee at such an early stage and fearful it sets a dangerous precedent. It's all basically virtue-signalling and unlikely to even get through the Keys (it only got 13 votes for this preliminary stage). It's just Hooper and co pretending to be radical when actually being conservative (very New Labour). If they introduced public election for LegCo there'd be no dispute about getting rid of the Bishop's vote - it would be an automatic consequence. But the current cosy set-up suits everyone too much. Edited November 8, 2023 by Roger Mexico Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred the shred Posted November 8, 2023 Author Share Posted November 8, 2023 There are politicians who are setting their stalls out for the next election. The way things are dragged out in Island politics Dignity in dying will still be a dream for those who believe this should be a choice and the Bishop question will still be undecided so the next election will be a chance for the pro active candidates to put these items on their mandates. These are probably not the most important items that will be around but they are subjects that most people have an opinion on and in the case of Dignity in dying a personal interest in. If I were a politician these would be my doorstep subjects for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 I would have had more respect for Hooperman, if he had tried to introduce a private members bill to wind up the Legislative Council, and in its place create a new parliamentary body which is democraticly elected, by the electorate. He may have also gone further and legislated within his private members bill, that the role of Chief Minister is, democratically elected by the electorate, rather than by the HoK members. Sadly Hooperman is trying to create positive headlines, deflecting attention from his own woeful and pitiful performance. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred the shred Posted November 9, 2023 Author Share Posted November 9, 2023 Perhaps 2112 this is the intention but doing it bit by bit, this is more or less what is being suggested by a previous Bishop who was very active in Tynwald when he was here, according to him if the Bishop’s vote is removed the walls will come tumbling down as he is the mainstay of Tynwald. Cods wallop of course but Rob has joined the crusade he won’t have much time for those planning decisions now 😂. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 5 hours ago, Fred the shred said: Perhaps 2112 this is the intention but doing it bit by bit, this is more or less what is being suggested by a previous Bishop who was very active in Tynwald when he was here, according to him if the Bishop’s vote is removed the walls will come tumbling down as he is the mainstay of Tynwald. Cods wallop of course but Rob has joined the crusade he won’t have much time for those planning decisions now 😂. Maybe Rob Callister will propose a 5 MHK select committee to investigate and report back, with the usual brains trust sat on the said committee. Perhaps our constitutional expert, Rt Hon Professor Dr Ashford MHK will provide MHKs with his extensive constitutional knowledge and wisdom? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 12 minutes ago, 2112 said: Rt Hon Professor Dr Ashford MHK How insulting! It's Herr Doktor MD PhD, * if you don't mind!!! I don't think this move is the thin end of the wedge regards Legco reform, that's a much more convoluted trip down the committee route? PS. *with Honours of course! Removing the Bishops vote is an important step to democracy as he is automatically appointed, whomever he/she/they may be, at least the other MLCs are selected by the Keys who have some sort of mandate from the public? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Colombe Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 A PhD with honours? That sounds authentic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moghrey Mie Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 https://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2023/11/bill-to-separate-church-from-state-to-be-introduced-in-parliament Good timing from IOM point of view. They will rehearse all the arguments against having bishops in parliament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred the shred Posted November 10, 2023 Author Share Posted November 10, 2023 Absolutely , the same with the Dignity in Dying other jurisdictions are looking very hard at this especially Jersey so the title of Death Island being bandied by that humanarist fella is a load of rubbish. I know I have spelled that incorrectly but you get the drift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cueey Lewis And The News Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 (edited) Listening to Hoopers comments about Chris Thomas in this debate today the only thing you can deduce is that Hooper is a smug arrogant twat. Edited December 5, 2023 by Cueey Lewis And The News 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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