Albert Tatlock Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 You can imagine the chaos and paperwork involved with 60,000 people voting on potentially 100+ candidates. Plus giving each of the candidates equal say and equal airtime on official channels. Difficult enough already getting people to turn out for 5 candidates. Nice idea maybe, but I feel it would fail dramatically in implementation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 12 minutes ago, Albert Tatlock said: You can imagine the chaos and paperwork involved with 60,000 people voting on potentially 100+ candidates. Plus giving each of the candidates equal say and equal airtime on official channels. Difficult enough already getting people to turn out for 5 candidates. Nice idea maybe, but I feel it would fail dramatically in implementation. We know it would be complete chaos, because that's exactly how Guernsey carried out their election in 2020. And it was a farce and people were voting pretty randomly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevlar Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 On 3/21/2024 at 9:07 PM, Moghrey Mie said: And has Tynwald suffered from a lack of spiritual guidance? I don't think so. He’s not necessary according to angry and terrible Health Minister Lawrie and fake Joney whose only contribution to Manx politics seems to be this and screeching about Hamas on Twitter like a demented banshee. Two absolute whoppers fleecing the public for seventy grand a year. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred the shred Posted March 27 Author Share Posted March 27 He is not necessary in Tynwald according to a lot of people the reason being he is unelected. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moghrey Mie Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 It's a pity this debate has been delayed yet again. It could have been decided before the next bishop is appointed emphasising that it is not personal just a move towards having a secular society. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred the shred Posted March 27 Author Share Posted March 27 It will be a while before they make their minds up who to send which illustrates the point that we have been without a Bishop for a good while now and his contribution to Tynwald and the political scenario has not been missed not one bit. for a good while now and Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred the shred Posted March 27 Author Share Posted March 27 Just now, Fred the shred said: It will be a while before they make their minds up who to send which illustrates the point that we have been without a Bishop for a good while now and his contribution to Tynwald and the political scenario has not been missed not one bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 21 hours ago, Fred the shred said: He is not necessary in Tynwald according to a lot of people the reason being he is unelected. None of the LEGCO members should have a vote in Tynwald, that's the hill Hooper should be dying on! 21 hours ago, Moghrey Mie said: It's a pity this debate has been delayed yet again. It could have been decided before the next bishop is appointed emphasising that it is not personal just a move towards having a secular society. I'm not at all religious but it still has a prominent place in society, the Bishop probably represents the largest constituency, although there are no borders to define it. Relying on secular people to do and say the right thing can be very dangerous. 16 hours ago, Fred the shred said: It will be a while before they make their minds up who to send which illustrates the point that we have been without a Bishop for a good while now and his contribution to Tynwald and the political scenario has not been missed not one bit. for a good while now and We don't know if he has been missed at all, perhaps issues such as assisted death may have some more perspectives? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 1 hour ago, Max Power said: the Bishop probably represents the largest constituency, although there are no borders to define it. Does he? It's rather arbitrary to say the CofE is the biggest constituency on the Island. You could easily draw a bigger group - the head of the civil service, the TUC chief, the Chamber of Commerce, the man who claims to represents all Manx Taypayers, the head of the TT Supporters Club? Jurgan Klopp will be free soon - there's more Liverpool fans on the Island than Anglicans. And he's got a track record of turning around underperforming organisations with entitled staff. Maybe we should start a petition to have him made Bishop. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 https://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2018/09/nss-dismisses-regressive-proposal-to-extend-religious-representation-in-lords "Britain is the only sovereign democratic country to have automatic religious representation in its legislature. Iran is the only other country to reserve places in its parliament for unelected religious leaders." 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred the shred Posted March 28 Author Share Posted March 28 I think LegCo should be revised and reduced dramatically but comparing it with the Bishop’s position is wrong. Members of LegCo are chosen by the MHKs whom have been elected by us with the knowledge that we are empowering them to choose a CM and people to serve on LegCo. The people they consider will be residents with some sort of track record, hopefully, of having knowledge of the Island, its people, and its challengers. This is opposed to the Bishop that is not a resident , chosen by a body of non political people and will probably have no or very little knowledge of the Island. The chosen one will be reaching retirement age and just putting time in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 20 minutes ago, Declan said: Does he? It's rather arbitrary to say the CofE is the biggest constituency on the Island. You could easily draw a bigger group - the head of the civil service, the TUC chief, the Chamber of Commerce, the man who claims to represents all Manx Taypayers, the head of the TT Supporters Club? Jurgan Klopp will be free soon - there's more Liverpool fans on the Island than Anglicans. And he's got a track record of turning around underperforming organisations with entitled staff. Maybe we should start a petition to have him made Bishop. Yes, but unlike the other groups, you'd expect the Bishop to take a position which is morally correct and not partisan to any personal interests. Jurgen Klopp for Bishop does sound interesting though, but Chief Minister might be more appropriate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 22 minutes ago, Declan said: Jurgan Klopp will be free soon - there's more Liverpool fans on the Island than Anglicans. And he's got a track record of turning around underperforming organisations with entitled staff. Maybe we should start a petition to have him made Bishop. Klopp appears to be a Christian though, that may rule him out of contention. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 He's probably too left wing too. https://www.politico.eu/article/top-football-coach-jurgen-klopps-five-political-truths/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 It's a dilemma, but it sounds like it's always been so... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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