Cueey Lewis And The News Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 5 hours ago, Andy Onchan said: May be I'm wrong but I haven't heard of either Faragher or Hooper saying they want the bishop out on religious grounds. They're saying it's undemocratic. Faragher has sort of suggested that today in a real meltdown thread on Twitter by Devon Watson who seems to have gone berserk making all sorts of inflammatory statements about the Bishop representing gay haters and that net flicks is more popular than the church etc. It’s real quality stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 35 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: [1] Not only is the President only elected by MHKs, only an MHK (or the current President) can be elected as President. The Speaker is also elected by MHKs - but I have no idea what he does, apart from wear nice clothes (presumably paid fpr by me). Michael Moyle stood for election to LegCo, but was not chosen. One would have thought an ex-lawyer would be useful, but obviously he did not have the required capabilities. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyWolf Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 (edited) Michael Moyle was far too bright for either house and would probably called out a lot of the charlatans for what they really are. Shame he never got in. Edited December 7, 2023 by GreyWolf 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham_N_Eggs Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Roger Mexico said: In which case why aren't they demanding that all of LegCo is elected. There's probably more Manx people involved in choosing the new Bishop than in selecting the other nine[1], that's how ridiculous and undemocratic the current situation is. The fact that no one proposing getting rid of the Bishop is keen on further reform shows the whole thing up for the pathetic virtue-signalling this is. [1] Not only is the President only elected by MHKs, only an MHK (or the current President) can be elected as President. It seems to me that is why LegCo voted against the motion in Tynwald. Pure self-preservation. If they have done a good enough then they shouldn't fear the electorate. 47 minutes ago, Two-lane said: The Speaker is also elected by MHKs - but I have no idea what he does, apart from wear nice clothes (presumably paid fpr by me). At least he is elected by the electorate firstly. On that point, having a Speaker denies an elected Member a voice in the Keys. They should have the President cover all these chambers. The only change they would have to make is either scrapping LegCo or making it sit on a different day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 55 minutes ago, Two-lane said: The Speaker is also elected by MHKs - but I have no idea what he does, apart from wear nice clothes (presumably paid fpr by me). Well the main job of the Speaker is controlling the meetings of the House of Keys. But there's no real objection to the Keys electing a Chair[1] from among their number, that's normal for most such organisations. The problem is that there are ten people sitting in Tynwald with no democratic right to be there. [1] They used to be called Chairman till the middle of the 18th century, when as usual they decide to copy whatever the English did 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 Legco reform? Why start an argument you know you'll lose! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Buggane Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 Legco abolish, let's say it as it should be. Which nearly turned out as Lego abolish. Two things we know ain't going to happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyWolf Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 Defo keep lego from those nice Danish people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Peters Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 So, for the sake of a heated debate, suppose we sack everyone tomorrow (including most civil servants I presume from threads like this). What do we replace them with to run the Island better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cueey Lewis And The News Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, Stu Peters said: So, for the sake of a heated debate, suppose we sack everyone tomorrow (including most civil servants I presume from threads like this). What do we replace them with to run the Island better? That’s not what is being proposed though is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 5 minutes ago, Stu Peters said: So, for the sake of a heated debate, suppose we sack everyone tomorrow (including most civil servants I presume from threads like this). What do we replace them with to run the Island better? You are an MHK. The electorate is paying you a pretty substantial amount of money. Your response seems a little petulant. Do you regard the current arrangement as acceptable? If not, what is *your* recommendation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 8 minutes ago, Stu Peters said: What do we replace them with to run the Island better? Not you Dear!!! In an argument like this, you have to separate the 'Hot Heads' from the serious reformers and then the 'who' becomes 'why'??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 From past debates on Legco reform, even MHKs are not in favour for fear it will usurp their authority from the ballot box. there would have to be a considered debate on the constitution of a second chamber preceeding any debate on reform....... ......but then, that debate would still have MHKs stuck in their 'we have priority' mindset? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Peters Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 9 minutes ago, Kopek said: Not you Dear!!! In an argument like this, you have to separate the 'Hot Heads' from the serious reformers and then the 'who' becomes 'why'??? I’ll make a coffee and wait for the grown-ups to post. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 6 minutes ago, Stu Peters said: I’ll make a coffee and wait for the grown-ups to post. This is a post from someone who is paid £71,000 per year. It is a perfect example of the level of commonsense and intellectual capability of the average MHK. "wait for the grown-ups to post" .. FFS. I could have had a more intellectual conversation with my children when they were 5 years old. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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