Josem Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 This event is a reminder that the Isle of Man "justice" system appear to have failed to prosecute any offenders relating to the alleged hate crime that took place at the Sea Terminal earlier this year. In that incident, some sort of vandalism took place of the rainbow post box within the vicinity of the Sea Terminal's CCTV video monitoring area. Despite the usual online gutter crawlers making false public accusations at the time of who they fantasised might be responsible, I have found no subsequent public statements or comments from the police, or the Government, or the press. Was someone identified? Was someone prosecuted? Why is this not on the public record? Allegedly, a hate crime took place. Where is the prosecution of the offender? Where is the justice? What happened? I've repeatedly contacted the police to learn more, but have been unsuccessful - the alleged offenders should be investigated and brought to justice. Bringing criminals to justice would represent taking action. Action speaks much louder than mere words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 1 hour ago, La Colombe said: They should call it The Colossefton. 2 hours ago, Roger Mexico said: Calling that area an 'amphitheatre' is bonkers though. It's a semi-circle. Personally I'd say to be deemed an amphitheater it would have to at least one additional raised level of seating. When snowboarding in Canada, a local showed me to a semi-circular construction made from snow with about 3 or 4 steps/seating levels, hidden in the trees behind one of the lifts. For viewing the sunset whilst having a beer or spliff; that was definitely an amphitheater. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 30 minutes ago, Josem said: This event is a reminder that the Isle of Man "justice" system appear to have failed to prosecute any offenders relating to the alleged hate crime that took place at the Sea Terminal earlier this year. In that incident, some sort of vandalism took place of the rainbow post box within the vicinity of the Sea Terminal's CCTV video monitoring area. smash a letterbox you're a vandal , smash a letter box that isn't red it's a hate crime , maybe everything should be painted in rainbow colours so there are only hate crimes if someone smashes something ??. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 22 minutes ago, The Phantom said: It's a semi-circle. Personally I'd say to be deemed an amphitheater it would have to at least one additional raised level of seating. When snowboarding in Canada, a local showed me to a semi-circular construction made from snow with about 3 or 4 steps/seating levels, hidden in the trees behind one of the lifts. For viewing the sunset whilst having a beer or spliff; that was definitely an amphitheater. Words with Greek roots are always a minefield amphi, two, double both, both sides teatron a viewing area, for performances No mention of steps or tiers or seats. so a semi circular space where things happening inside the space can be viewed is, indeed, an amphitheatre 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo2010 Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 42 minutes ago, Josem said: This event is a reminder that the Isle of Man "justice" system appear to have failed to prosecute any offenders relating to the alleged hate crime that took place at the Sea Terminal earlier this year. In that incident, some sort of vandalism took place of the rainbow post box within the vicinity of the Sea Terminal's CCTV video monitoring area. Despite the usual online gutter crawlers making false public accusations at the time of who they fantasised might be responsible, I have found no subsequent public statements or comments from the police, or the Government, or the press. Was someone identified? Was someone prosecuted? Why is this not on the public record? Allegedly, a hate crime took place. Where is the prosecution of the offender? Where is the justice? What happened? I've repeatedly contacted the police to learn more, but have been unsuccessful - the alleged offenders should be investigated and brought to justice. Bringing criminals to justice would represent taking action. Action speaks much louder than mere words. Why would the police give you any information? As you say it's a post box so the victim would be royal mail maybe give them a shout and see if they might tell you something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred the shred Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 The Gaiety has an Amphitheatre behind the upper circle which is known as the gods. As for the post box I think the police have enough on their plates without chasing petty criminals, a speeding campaign would spring to mind nailing the idiots that do 30 or 40 or more in 20mph zones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chie Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 (edited) I can tell you that trans violence does in deed occur in Douglas and around the island. Im a trans person myself that is friends with or knows quite a lot of the trans community. I have friends who have been attacked quite viciously for simply being themselves and other friends who are subject to abuse in public on a daily basis. Should, heaven forbid, any of you actually engage a trans person in a conversation, rather than getting your info from your degree in GBeebies News, you would be aware of the issues that trans people do actually face on this island. The vigil isn't just for the purposes of issues faced locally, it's a remembrance to those who have died in the last year as a result of the rising anti trans rhetoric. Suicide rates amongst trans people are rising due to the current climate and hate crime including murder of trans people is on the rise also. It may not mean much to you, but it does to us, because it DOES affect us directly. You aren't subject to this horseshit on a daily basis, you aren't subject to the the literal avalanche of bullshit that is fired at us from every direction, every minute of every day, no matter which direction we try to turn. The lies, the misinformation, the hate, the anger, bullshit news reports, hate mail, for what? Existing? I feel like I live a world of simple minded easily lead dickheads who believe every story the media puts out about trans people being the devil. Get a grip. Edited November 21, 2023 by Chie 4 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Lamb Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 14 hours ago, John Wright said: Words with Greek roots are always a minefield amphi, two, double both, both sides teatron a viewing area, for performances No mention of steps or tiers or seats. so a semi circular space where things happening inside the space can be viewed is, indeed, an amphitheatre Words change meaning, though. A journey was originally one day's travel, an expedition on foot, and so on. So while it's probably not what most people would think of as an amphitheatre, it could be. Humpty Dumpty nailed it when he said, ' Words mean exactly what I want them to,' while Wittgenstein took a more nuanced view involving language games. I should get out more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cueey Lewis And The News Posted November 21, 2023 Author Share Posted November 21, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, Chie said: The vigil isn't just for the purposes of issues faced locally, it's a remembrance to those who have died in the last year as a result of the rising anti trans rhetoric. Some might say it’s rising anti trans rhetoric that’s directly proportionate with the aggressive nonsense being pumped out by the trans community and the hate filled anti science echo chamber that’s been created on social media that sets out to attack and de-platform absolutely anyone who gets in their way. Much of it is self fueling and many of the tactics used by trans activists appear to be just plain nasty. Without all of that hardly anyone would probably care. Edited November 21, 2023 by Cueey Lewis And The News 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 10 hours ago, Chie said: I can tell you that trans violence does in deed occur in Douglas and around the island. Im a trans person myself that is friends with or knows quite a lot of the trans community. I have friends who have been attacked quite viciously for simply being themselves and other friends who are subject to abuse in public on a daily basis. Should, heaven forbid, any of you actually engage a trans person in a conversation, rather than getting your info from your degree in GBeebies News, you would be aware of the issues that trans people do actually face on this island. The vigil isn't just for the purposes of issues faced locally, it's a remembrance to those who have died in the last year as a result of the rising anti trans rhetoric. Suicide rates amongst trans people are rising due to the current climate and hate crime including murder of trans people is on the rise also. It may not mean much to you, but it does to us, because it DOES affect us directly. You aren't subject to this horseshit on a daily basis, you aren't subject to the the literal avalanche of bullshit that is fired at us from every direction, every minute of every day, no matter which direction we try to turn. The lies, the misinformation, the hate, the anger, bullshit news reports, hate mail, for what? Existing? I feel like I live a world of simple minded easily lead dickheads who believe every story the media puts out about trans people being the devil. Get a grip. Ok fair enough, but is a 'vigil' actually what you want, think will change anything or really provide some sort of solace or support? It's like when someone really can't be arsed, but wants to be seen to be doing/saying something - so they offer their 'Hopes and Prayers'. If the violence and anti-trans rhetoric is as you say, do you not feel a public vigil would be goading and a potential target? Would it not be better held (and warmer and drier) and more productive if held in a Church Hall or Community Centre? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 3 hours ago, Cueey Lewis And The News said: Some might say it’s rising anti trans rhetoric that’s directly proportionate with the aggressive nonsense being pumped out by the trans community Yeah but some people are thick as pig shit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 41 minutes ago, The Phantom said: Ok fair enough, but is a 'vigil' actually what you want, think will change anything or really provide some sort of solace or support? It's like when someone really can't be arsed, but wants to be seen to be doing/saying something - so they offer their 'Hopes and Prayers'. If the violence and anti-trans rhetoric is as you say, do you not feel a public vigil would be goading and a potential target? Would it not be better held (and warmer and drier) and more productive if held in a Church Hall or Community Centre? No social movement has ever effected change by hiding so noone sees them... As with most ways the gutter press tries to divide people, the antidote is meeting/seeing the "other" and realising that everyone is just a person who wants to get on with their life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 18 minutes ago, HeliX said: No social movement has ever effected change by hiding so noone sees them... As with most ways the gutter press tries to divide people, the antidote is meeting/seeing the "other" and realising that everyone is just a person who wants to get on with their life. Seems to be working for Just stop oil..... I know it might sound like it, but I'm not really suggesting hiding. It honestly sounds like somewhere indoors, warm, dry with seating might be better option than standing outside with a candle on the Prom in November! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, The Phantom said: Seems to be working for Just stop oil..... I know it might sound like it, but I'm not really suggesting hiding. It honestly sounds like somewhere indoors, warm, dry with seating might be better option than standing outside with a candle on the Prom in November! Definitely more people talking about Oil than would be if Just Stop Oil didn't exist. Some of it not positive, but most protests that have actually caused changes to Govt policy have been disruptive. It's the only language the Govt speaks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 6 minutes ago, HeliX said: Definitely more people talking about Oil than would be if Just Stop Oil didn't exist. Some of it not positive, but most protests that have actually caused changes to Govt policy have been disruptive. It's the only language the Govt speaks... I think they are having the opposite effect to what they are trying to achieve though? People may be talking about it, but are coming to different conclusions than the protesters perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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