Cueey Lewis And The News Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 So if you don’t actually keep any records you can’t answer a FOI request https://www.three.fm/news/isle-of-man-news/doi-not-aware-how-many-workers-have-had-out-of-court-settlements/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 Amazing arrogance . The Department that just keeps giving . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 14 minutes ago, Cueey Lewis And The News said: So if you don’t actually keep any records you can’t answer a FOI request https://www.three.fm/news/isle-of-man-news/doi-not-aware-how-many-workers-have-had-out-of-court-settlements/ It’s not just the DoI that don’t keep records it’s IOMG in general. When any politico asks for information they are told frequently that information isn’t available or not collated. Arrogance and laziness as well. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 -not-aware-how-many-workers-have-had-out-of-court-settlements So how do they audit where public money has gone and to what purpose ? 5 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 Request needs to go to HR. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 35 minutes ago, asitis said: -not-aware-how-many-workers-have-had-out-of-court-settlements So how do they audit where public money has gone and to what purpose ? Do you think that is a priority subject at DOI...? 🤭 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake me up Judy Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 IOM Government has the best departure lounge of any public sector in the world. I've known plenty who've walked off with massive pay-offs and eye watering pensions that have set them up for the rest of their days. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Shake me up Judy said: IOM Government has the best departure lounge of any public sector in the world. I've known plenty who've walked off with massive pay-offs and eye watering pensions that have set them up for the rest of their days. The ten years in particular up to about 2020/21 were a very, very good time to exit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake me up Judy Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 It's effectively yet another form of corruption with the public coffers. We're being robbed in broad daylight and it's all legal. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 (edited) I suspect that HR might not be too keen to release figures either, even if they are the holders. There would be public revulsion. ETA. It has to be remembered that these severance terms and conditions (a little like the pensions) were negotiated and set in stone when the island was awash with VAT. Yet now the money has "gone" we are apparently still obliged to uphold them without question for Govt's fear of "legal challenge" (of course it's Govt staff who benefit the most). Which does not auger well for the public finances or the reserves. But we know that. Edited November 23, 2023 by Non-Believer Extra bit 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holte End Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 Wasn't all this set out in the 2012 scope of government. How do you reduce and contract out, without letting people go ? https://www.gov.im/media/628403/cominscoperesponse.pdf 4.6.43 Conclusion: We can but reiterate the recommendation which we made in 2006 that the Department consider extending the Operations Division’s contracting-out arrangements. The Department’s defence of the current position may have some substance but given the Division’s expenditure and establishment a further critical look at the arrangements is required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manx Bean Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 Seeing as any settlement would pass across the desk of the Attorney General’s Chambers as the Government’s lawyer maybe they could assist..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, Manx Bean said: Seeing as any settlement would pass across the desk of the Attorney General’s Chambers as the Government’s lawyer maybe they could assist..? They certainly won't assist. Someone put an FoI (3242789) in earlier this year that was answered in September with regard to Non-Disclosure Agreements to the Attorney General's Chambers Please can you confirm the following: 1. How many Non-Disclosure Agreements (NDAs) or any form of confidentiality agreements between IOM Government bodies (including departments and public authorities ) and other parties ( including persons, groups or companies) have been contractually entered into over the last 5 years? 2. What is the number of such individual NDAs for each of the years 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021 and 2022? 3. What is the overall monetary value of financial settlements made by IOM Government bodies covered by such NDAs for each of the years 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021 and 2022 (the annual totals)? 4. Does the IOM Attorney General's chambers advise Manx Government bodies on whether each NDA is appropriate? 5. Is the IOM Chief Minister informed of the nature and content of settlements covered by NDAs? 6. Why are NDAs considered necessary by IOM Government bodies? 7. What is the criteria that is applied as to whether a NDA is necessary and appropriate in any particular case? You'll need to download the document they replied with. Basically they said you had to ask the Departments for the first three and they couldn't say anything because they were their legal advisors and so privileged. The other four they claimed weren't proper questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 6 hours ago, Numbnuts said: Amazing arrogance . The Department that just keeps giving . Fuck's sake. The 3FM piece isn't news and whoever wrote the article has probably misunderstood. The records are simply held elsewhere. Nothing more to say about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, La_Dolce_Vita said: Fuck's sake. The 3FM piece isn't news and whoever wrote the article has probably misunderstood. The records are simply held elsewhere. Nothing more to say about it. That’s fine if you really believe the DOI don’t know. I don’t believe for one minute they don’t. Just don’t want to give out them as they will be a shit show . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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