John Wright Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 11 hours ago, Anyone said: No , in the UK it’s £500. No. The UK pensioners Christmas bonus is a measly £10. Not sure what the other £490 is in your £500 figure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emesde Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 17 minutes ago, John Wright said: No. The UK pensioners Christmas bonus is a measly £10. Not sure what the other £490 is in your £500 figure. I think pensioners in uk have recently had between £300 and £600 as a winter heating allowance. It was dependent on age. It was a significant amount for all over 65s as far as I know and increased with age. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 That’s a winter fuel allowance, not a Pensioners Christmas Bonus. And, yes, it depends on age and what benefits you are on and whether you are partnered ( and their age and benefit entitlement ). Anyone was suggesting the UK pensioners Christmas Bonus was £500. It isn’t. However, that shouldn’t detract from a debate about how IoMG justify not paying a pensioners winter fuel allowance for winter 23/4. Last year it was probably because they allowed MUA to sell electricity below the cost of production for an extended period. Racking up a huge loss, between £26 and £50 million. Of course that subsidised everyone, even those on tax caps, rather than focussing on those who needed it. We know that £600 to every pensioner is approx £14 million - because of the recent pension increase announcement. Now, all of us, from the very poorest to the very richest will have to suffer increased electricity prices whilst the additional debt is paid back. As in all these things, subsidy needs to be focussed, not general. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamon Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 16 hours ago, Banker said: But it’s still 4 times what Uk get But, in the UK the elderly also receive an annual heating allowance (not means tested). There is also single person occupancy rebate on council tax payment - no such rebate on the IOM. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 5 minutes ago, dreamon said: But, in the UK the elderly also receive an annual heating allowance (not means tested). There is also single person occupancy rebate on council tax payment - no such rebate on the IOM. See above. Whilst the heating allowance is not directly means tested it varies between £250 and £600 and what you get depends on what pensions or benefits you receive. And the benefits that link to the winter heating allowance increased rates are means tested. Average council tax in England is between £1200 and £3000 a year, plus water charge. Average rates in IoM are between £500-£2000 plus water rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forestboy Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 30 minutes ago, dreamon said: But, in the UK the elderly also receive an annual heating allowance (not means tested). There is also single person occupancy rebate on council tax payment - no such rebate on the IOM. How many properties on the island are single occupancy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 Just now, forestboy said: How many properties on the island are single occupancy? I reckon quite a lot, between young singlies and oldies, divorced/widowed etc. We've been promised a rating review since forever with the old system having been using rent values since the early 70s, for some reason Govt eternally drags its heels. Possibly because if all this was actually evaluated and applied it might involve some loss of revenue, in my cynical mind. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 16 hours ago, Passing Time said: For those who have worked and contributed all their lives, the pension should match what the government considers the minimum amount liveable wage. What’s your proposal for funding this? If you said minimum wage of £10.75 x 4 is c£22500 pa which is totally unaffordable without a massive increase in taxes for working people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 34 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: I reckon quite a lot, between young singlies and oldies, divorced/widowed etc. We've been promised a rating review since forever with the old system having been using rent values since the early 70s, for some reason Govt eternally drags its heels. Possibly because if all this was actually evaluated and applied it might involve some loss of revenue, in my cynical mind. Had a conversation with Chris Thomas a few years ago about this and said he had put ideas to treasury and basically they said it was all too complicated to come up with a fair way of applying it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilly Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 49 minutes ago, forestboy said: How many properties on the island are single occupancy? Lots more than you think. 12,158. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Buggane Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 17 hours ago, Passing Time said: For those who have worked and contributed all their lives, the pension should match what the government considers the minimum amount liveable wage. What £50,000. Is that not what that prick Wild said he needed to be able to live on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 Just now, Dirty Buggane said: What £50,000. Is that not what that prick Wild said he needed to be able to live on. It was Bill Henderson, couldn't get by on less apparently, though it was a few years ago. He'll need £100k now. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forestboy Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 6 minutes ago, Lilly said: Lots more than you think. 12,158. Wonder how many occupied by pensioners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilly Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, forestboy said: How many properties on the island are single occupancy? 54 minutes ago, Lilly said: Lots more than you think. 12,158. I suppose you might presume that it effects mostly fairly young single occupants living in apartments in full-time occupation. I would like to challenge that view if that is the conclusion. The census would give more accurate picture. Edited November 24, 2023 by Lilly to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilly Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 11 minutes ago, forestboy said: Wonder how many occupied by pensioners. Why? What about widows, widowers, single people on low incomes, etc.? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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