HeliX Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 4 hours ago, P.K. said: Give it a rest. The target acquisition in the south was nowhere like the intensity in Gaza City and you know it. Mind you, things move on... As I posted looking at the death and destruction it might make some realise that supporting a bunch of no-hoper murderous thugs is probably not a good idea after all... Oh so Israel only bombed them a lot rather than a fuckload? How moral. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 2 hours ago, Newbie said: So in your view, in response to Hamas' actions on October 7th, Israel shouldn't have launched military action against them? They should have said, fair enough we will stop occupying the West Bank if you return the hostages. Apart from being naive and unrealistic, that would surely have encouraged Hamas to commit further atrocities in order to extract further concessions from Israel. So not less motivating for terrorists. They shouldn't have ever gotten into this position because they shouldn't have spent the last 75 years following policies of displacement and dispossession. They should have gone after the Hamas leaders, not flattened an area full of 2 million civilians. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeteroErectus Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 See you all in half an hour. @P.K. you bring the flask of tea. No sugar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 34 minutes ago, HeliX said: Oh so Israel only bombed them a lot rather than a fuckload? How moral. They're fighting a war with the best weapons available to them. Simple as. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 1 minute ago, P.K. said: They're fighting a war with the best weapons available to them. Simple as. They're intentionally bombing areas they told civilians to evacuate to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 34 minutes ago, HeliX said: They shouldn't have ever gotten into this position because they shouldn't have spent the last 75 years following policies of displacement and dispossession. They should have gone after the Hamas leaders, not flattened an area full of 2 million civilians. Of course, on Israel eliminating the Hamas leaders the Iranians would never think to appoint replacements who would be a lot more covert now would they? Of course not.... Never occur to them... Never... Idiot. Although you're sort-of lucky to have such a simple view of things... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 5 minutes ago, HeliX said: They're intentionally bombing areas they told civilians to evacuate to. Now the IDF are operating in the South they're telling civilians to evacuate target areas. Which makes it easier for the IDF to operate in. Fancy you not mentioning that... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo2010 Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 Genuine question why are people getting so riled up about who has done what or what should have been done etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, P.K. said: Now the IDF are operating in the South they're telling civilians to evacuate target areas. Which makes it easier for the IDF to operate in. Fancy you not mentioning that... They're intentionally bombing areas they told civilians to evacuate to. Your handwaving and refusal to acknowledge this won't change it. Civilians are being murdered all for the crime of being born in the wrong place. You seem to think that's acceptable. Well it's fucking not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, thommo2010 said: Genuine question why are people getting so riled up about who has done what or what should have been done etc? Because I'm watching the first UK and US sponsored genocide in recent years and I'm not enjoying it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 48 minutes ago, HeliX said: They shouldn't have ever gotten into this position because they shouldn't have spent the last 75 years following policies of displacement and dispossession. They should have gone after the Hamas leaders, not flattened an area full of 2 million civilians. If only it were that straightforward. You conveniently forget to mention that the West Bank was annexed by Jordan 75 years ago at which time around 17,000 jews were murdered or displaced. It isn't all down to Israeli policies. They are going after the local Hamas leaders in Gaza, or are you suggesting they should also start operations in Qatar where many of the leaders live luxurious lives? Do you think that might end up in a far more widespread conflict in the Middle East? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, Newbie said: If only it were that straightforward. You conveniently forget to mention that the West Bank was annexed by Jordan 75 years ago at which time around 17,000 jews were murdered or displaced. It isn't all down to Israeli policies. They are going after the local Hamas leaders in Gaza, or are you suggesting they should also start operations in Qatar where many of the leaders live luxurious lives? Do you think that might end up in a far more widespread conflict in the Middle East? Israeli policies have intentionally kept Gaza in a state of poverty. Israel has intentionally supported Hamas in an attempt to scupper any hopes of a Palestinian state. Israel must take responsibility for its behaviour and make amends for it, or there will never be peace. By the IDF's own numbers (which are unverified), they've killed fewer than 10 Hamas commanders. For around 20,000 dead civilians. Do you think that's going to have reduced the number of Hamas members, or increased it as people who've lost family seek retribution? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo2010 Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 13 minutes ago, HeliX said: Because I'm watching the first UK and US sponsored genocide in recent years and I'm not enjoying it. Well turn off your TV then 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 1 minute ago, thommo2010 said: Well turn off your TV then Yeah that'll fix it I'm sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 14 minutes ago, HeliX said: They're intentionally bombing areas they told civilians to evacuate to. Your handwaving and refusal to acknowledge this won't change it. Civilians are being murdered all for the crime of being born in the wrong place. You seem to think that's acceptable. Well it's fucking not. It's war. In case you failed to notice it... The IDF would not intentionally strike an area if there was not a Hamas target there. Even you must be able to understand that they've got better things to do. Incidentally the civilian casualty lists are prepared by Hamas and therefore totally unreliable. I have also noticed that when folks are recovered from a strike the bearers deliberately make sure the cameras get a good view. The IDF are claiming over 5,000 Islamic Resistance Fighters have been eliminated. So only 35,000 to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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