Rally for a free Palestine

[Roger Mexico]

4 minutes ago, The Bastard said:

You're going a bit autistic there. You think a broad generalisation about percentages deserves a long drawn-out waffle about numbers, ignoring the point that was being made about immigration and cultural assimilation ? 

I wasn't disagreeing with the rest of your post, but you see the percentage of Muslims so wildly over-estimated in so many places (far more than you suggested) that I thought some actually numbers might be useful.

[Chinahand]

2 hours ago, HeliX said:

The current strategy will create more extremists than it kills. It's also killing exponentially more civilians than extremists.

Serious question, why didn't this happen in 1945, when the same tactics were used on Nazi Germany?

[Ringy Rose]

13 minutes ago, Chinahand said:

Serious question, why didn't this happen in 1945, when the same tactics were used on Nazi Germany?

Because the Allied Powers continued to occupy Germany for a long time after the war. Berlin- both the eastern and western sector- wasn’t truly under German control until reunification in 1990.

It certainly also helped that the British created a “Jewish homeland” so that Jewish people could be invited to bugger off out of Europe. Something the Soviets gladly encouraged.

[Ringy Rose]

2 hours ago, P.K. said:

Their current strategy will remove Hamas from running Gaza as a fiefdom and should stop foreign aid from enriching the Hamas upper echelon and spending it where it's needed - like on a rebuilding program.

Their current strategy is the same one that Sri Lanka employed against the Tamil minority during their civil war. In the last four months of the war it’s estimated that 70,000 civilians were killed by the Sri Lankan military and another 50,000 or so were forced to flee to India.

And yes, turning the entire area into rubble will “work”, of a fashion, although the leaders of Hamas aren’t in Gaza and haven’t been for quite some time.

But once you’ve done that you’ll still need to then come to a political solution. Even after the destruction, Sri Lanka had to. Sadly Israel is currently run by the far-far-right and there’s no evidence that anyone in Israeli government wants a political solution.

As for Hamas running Gaza as a fiefdom, that’s undoubtedly true. Netanyahu proudly made it a policy of his. It divided Gaza from the West Bank and undermined the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank. All part of the plan to avoid calls for a Palestinian state to be recognised.

[HeliX]

42 minutes ago, Chinahand said:

Serious question, why didn't this happen in 1945, when the same tactics were used on Nazi Germany?

What RR says above, but also the conditions were wholly different. A World War where the soldiers are not really followers of a particular ideology, they're just conscripted, vs a situation where extremists are fighting occupation, and are often followers of an ideology. And once the "conflict" "stops", the status quo of occupation, disposession and displacement will remain.

[Shake me up Judy]

No it won't. Israel, the U.S. and the U.N. will rebuild Gaza, brick by brick. New roads, schools, homes and hospitals for Palestinians. No Hamas though. 

[HeliX]

2 hours ago, Shake me up Judy said:

No it won't. Israel, the U.S. and the U.N. will rebuild Gaza, brick by brick. New roads, schools, homes and hospitals for Palestinians. No Hamas though. 

I would love to have belief that that's true. Though a rebuilding operation on that scale, if they did do it, would still leave hundreds of thousands homeless for a significant period given the level of destruction of buildings in Gaza.

[A fool and his money.....]

3 hours ago, Shake me up Judy said:

No it won't. Israel, the U.S. and the U.N. will rebuild Gaza, brick by brick. New roads, schools, homes and hospitals for Palestinians. No Hamas though. 

Will they also rebuild the thousands of innocent civilians they've killed?

[P.K.]

7 hours ago, HeliX said:

The current strategy will create more extremists than it kills. It's also killing exponentially more civilians than extremists.

Why would Israeli laws apply?

Israel has confirmed since initially releasing that photo of the "surrendered terrorists" (a war crime, by the way) that 85-90% were actually civilians.

I can't be arsed linking my same post again about what action I think Israel should be pursuing because you haven't read it the other half dozen times and will continue to ask the same questions anyway.

@HeliX

Had to laugh at this.

The action you think Israel should be pursuing is to remove the Hamas leadership. Then what? Do you really think that if they were removed all the 30,000 something Islamic Resistance Fighters would then drop their guns and just walk away...?

But this is a classic. The assault by Hamas was particularly brutal. Murder, rape, beheadings, taking hostages and all the while filming the atrocities taking place. And you come out with this about the IDF: "releasing that photo of the "surrendered terrorists" (a war crime, by the way)"

So what is the penalty for this war crime? Do they dock your sweetie allowance or something...?

It really does say it all about your stance in this...

[HeliX]

2 minutes ago, P.K. said:

@HeliX

Had to laugh at this.

The action you think Israel should be pursuing is to remove the Hamas leadership. Then what? 

Try reading the posts properly.

[Ringy Rose]

4 hours ago, Shake me up Judy said:

Israel, the U.S. and the U.N. will rebuild Gaza, brick by brick. New roads, schools, homes and hospitals for Palestinians.

No they won’t. Or, more accurately, they won’t if Palestinians are still living there.

The far-right settlers are in charge in Israel, and they want the Arabs gone. Look what they’re doing to the Bedouin tribes in the West Bank.

[quilp]

 

 

[Max Power]

18 hours ago, Ringy Rose said:

No they won’t. Or, more accurately, they won’t if Palestinians are still living there.

The far-right settlers are in charge in Israel, and they want the Arabs gone. Look what they’re doing to the Bedouin tribes in the West Bank.

Strangely there are a lot of Arabs living peacefully in Israel, a lot of Palestinians were working in Israel before Hamas chose to ruin their lives. The Zionists can be dealt with, if the likes of Hamas and other terrorist factions would stand down from their long held intentions of driving Israel and its inhabitants into the sea!

[Shake me up Judy]

I notice Quilp's excellent link to child-martydom hasn't dinged any bells or jerked any knees on here. Wrong paradigm I suppose, and doesn't generate the correct emotion or grievance. Now if they were Jewish kids... 

[HeliX]

1 hour ago, Max Power said:

Strangely there are a lot of Arabs living peacefully in Israel

Not possible, all the people in this thread who want Israel to glass Gaza say that Arabs can't live peacefully around Jews because they're all bred to want to kill them.