TheTeapot Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 Quote According to reports in the Hebrew media an initial IDF probe into the incident suggests all three men were shirtless, with one carrying a makeshift white flag. On seeing them, one Israeli soldier shouted “terrorists!” to the other forces, initiating fire at the men, a military official said. While two hostages were hit immediately and fell to the ground, the third managed to escape into a nearby building where despite pleas in Hebrew, he was also shot and killed. That's the good guys right there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 10 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: That's the good guys right there. I don't think there are many 'good guys' in this, just a lot of innocents on both sides! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 Was this a single incident, or is it just standard practice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 https://twitter.com/MuntherIsaac/status/1736063513720705393 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 4 hours ago, Two-lane said: Was this a single incident, or is it just standard practice? To be fair they obviously mistook them for Palestinian civilians, who they do shoot on purpose. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 26 minutes ago, HeliX said: To be fair they obviously mistook them for Palestinian civilians, who they do shoot on purpose. No, they did not. They thought it was a Hamas ruse and responded accordingly. Sad, but it happens. Smug people sitting in comfort in the faraway Isle of Man are not faced with split-second decisions in situations of life and death. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 4 hours ago, Two-lane said: Was this a single incident, or is it just standard practice? It’s normal for IDF look at all the children shot dead for throwing stones 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringy Rose Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 (edited) On 12/14/2023 at 6:26 PM, Josem said: It is repulsive to try to attribute deaths to a nation being created and existing. A far-right Australian defending colonialism. Gosh, I’m shocked. No doubt you voted No in the recent referendum in the homeland. 54 minutes ago, Banker said: It’s normal for IDF look at all the children shot dead for throwing stones And the journalists shot by the IDF, or run over by Caterpillar diggers, or… I’m just amazed they’ve admitted it. I can’t help but wonder why. They normally deny all knowledge. Edited December 16, 2023 by Ringy Rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo2010 Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 (edited) Surprised to hear that after a protest on the Isle of Man the violence hasn't stopped Edited December 16, 2023 by thommo2010 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 5 hours ago, Augustus said: They thought it was a Hamas ruse Even the IDF themselves aren't brazen enough to claim some bollocks like that. Not that they need to because you're, for some reason, doing it for them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 5 hours ago, Augustus said: No, they did not. They thought it was a Hamas ruse and responded accordingly. Sad, but it happens. Smug people sitting in comfort in the faraway Isle of Man are not faced with split-second decisions in situations of life and death. It's always the same problem fighting an insurgency. The insurgents are the civilians shooting at you... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, Augustus said: No, they did not. They thought it was a Hamas ruse and responded accordingly. Sad, but it happens. Smug people sitting in comfort in the faraway Isle of Man are not faced with split-second decisions in situations of life and death. Sorry, no. As ex-military, chasing the third hostage into another location and then shooting him dead whilst he was unarmed and pleading in Hebrew is not only not a split second decision but displays an appalling lack of military discipline if not combat theatre policy on the part of the IDF towards "enemy" or non-combatants alike. Edited December 17, 2023 by Non-Believer Typo 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 9 hours ago, HeliX said: Even the IDF themselves aren't brazen enough to claim some bollocks like that. Not that they need to because you're, for some reason, doing it for them. You really are cock-sure of yourself, aren't you? From the Guardian: The exact circumstances of their deaths were not immediately clear. In a statement late on Friday, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said: “During combat in Shejaiya, the IDF mistakenly identified three Israeli hostages as a threat. As a result, the troops fired toward them and they were killed.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 The IDF has a history of shooting unarmed people holding white flags. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Augustus said: You really are cock-sure of yourself, aren't you? From the Guardian: The exact circumstances of their deaths were not immediately clear. In a statement late on Friday, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said: “During combat in Shejaiya, the IDF mistakenly identified three Israeli hostages as a threat. As a result, the troops fired toward them and they were killed.” A "Hamas ruse" is quite a leap from "a threat". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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