Surprise! OHR investigation recommends over 50 new jobs

[Non-Believer]

7 hours ago, Omobono said:

time for someone in Tynwald to move a  suspension of new civil servants appointments unless justified  by a specific minister , that way someone will be accountable  and answerable to Tynwald,     and following the grant thornton report  I get the feeling   this would be supported , 

Such a thing was put in place 30+ years ago and has been consistently ignored and circumvented ever since, Edge brought it up in Tynwald 2 years ago.

The bigger the CS gets, the more resources it will say it needs to administer itself, it's quite simple.

The fact is, it has become an all-consuming cancer in our government and society that will not stop until it has consumed both. Democratic control, if it ever existed, was lost a long time ago.

 

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[manxman1980]

7 hours ago, Max Power said:

HR were asked to assist a friend of mine to prepare his CV after he was made redundant by IoMG. 

An absolutely pathetic attempt, they had no idea of the job which he did, the qualifications he had, his education, what his achievements were. Worse, they couldn't be bothered to ask and thought the slipshod attempt was somehow acceptable. It was as if a school kid had tried to do it with no idea whatsoever!

Sounds more like your friend expected HR to write the CV in full for them.

Best advice for a CV is to write it specifically for the job you are applying for.  Don't rely on a generic one.

Also keep personal details to a minimum.  Don't include date of birth,  marital status,  number of kids, pets or even hobbies unless any of that is relevant to the job.  99.9% of the time it won't be. 

[asitis]

HR, the biggest empire building bullshit department in every walk of life. It used to be called personnel and didn't require huge rafts of staff.

I hope the MHK's will be asking, realistically, where the money is to come from for this ? they don't produce a self funding product, they merely appoint utter tossers to waste more of the taxpayers cash, especially into senior appointments !

The buffers are getting ever closer as the train approaches !

[Banker]

2 hours ago, asitis said:

HR, the biggest empire building bullshit department in every walk of life. It used to be called personnel and didn't require huge rafts of staff.

I hope the MHK's will be asking, realistically, where the money is to come from for this ? they don't produce a self funding product, they merely appoint utter tossers to waste more of the taxpayers cash, especially into senior appointments !

The buffers are getting ever closer as the train approaches !

The biggest empires everywhere are compliance/risk/health & safety to tell you what you can’t do like change a light bill in office!

[Mistercee]

What qualifies Grant Thornton to compile this report and make recommendations? Are they not a firm of Accountants? We all know what Accountants did to the Banks etc!! 

They should have a got a seasoned HR professional in to have a critical look at how it is being run as an initial step. 

All Grant Thornton are doing is backing the wish to expand the empire.   

[Albert Tatlock]

Government HR is archaic, contains numerous disparate old systems and too many unnecessary manual processes. It needs automating and it's staff trained and brought into the 21st century.

This isn't a report about 'what is needed', but how government HR management have failed to train staff and implement cost-effective systems - and have made a department unfit for purpose.

It should be leading to sackings and another review of the way forward.

Start again!  

[2112]

18 minutes ago, Mistercee said:

What qualifies Grant Thornton to compile this report and make recommendations? Are they not a firm of Accountants? We all know what Accountants did to the Banks etc!! 

They should have a got a seasoned HR professional in to have a critical look at how it is being run as an initial step. 

All Grant Thornton are doing is backing the wish to expand the empire.   

And Auditing - and some of the big 4 firms and others have a chequered history. 
 

Perhaps it would have been wiser to get a truly independent (free from political interference and conflict of interest from Manx HR lawyers and recruitment experts) report, possibly a KC specialist in Employment/HR or a specialist with experience of dealing with the HR departments within large scale organisations? 
 

 

[2112]

1 minute ago, Albert Tatlock said:

Government HR is archaic, contains numerous disparate old systems and too many unnecessary manual processes. It needs automating and it's staff trained and brought into the 21st century.

This isn't a report about 'what is needed', but how government HR management have failed to train staff and implement cost-effective systems - and have made a department unfit for purpose.

It should be leading to sackings and another review of the way forward.

Start again!  

They say the cost is £3million. You may as well amend it to £5million+. Like Liverpool Ferry Terminal this will never end. People will get rich on the back of recruiting, especially if the agencies are involved. 

[Hmmmm]

52 minutes ago, Mistercee said:

What qualifies Grant Thornton to compile this report and make recommendations? Are they not a firm of Accountants? We all know what Accountants did to the Banks etc!! 

They should have a got a seasoned HR professional in to have a critical look at how it is being run as an initial step. 

All Grant Thornton are doing is backing the wish to expand the empire.   

GT would have been given terms of reference which were no doubt skewed to arrive at the conclusions they have.  Perhaps self perpetuating with add ons and future review work for GT.

[Non-Believer]

31 minutes ago, Albert Tatlock said:

Government HR is archaic, contains numerous disparate old systems and too many unnecessary manual processes. It needs automating and it's staff trained and brought into the 21st century.

This isn't a report about 'what is needed', but how government HR management have failed to train staff and implement cost-effective systems - and have made a department unfit for purpose.

And the best remedy they can recommend is to recruit 50 more of the same.

Let's bury the problem under more administration. Classic CS obfuscation tactics, honed since forever.

[Hmmmm]

32 minutes ago, Albert Tatlock said:

Government HR is archaic, contains numerous disparate old systems and too many unnecessary manual processes. It needs automating and it's staff trained and brought into the 21st century.

This isn't a report about 'what is needed', but how government HR management have failed to train staff and implement cost-effective systems - and have made a department unfit for purpose.

It should be leading to sackings and another review of the way forward.

Start again!  

Agreed, and perhaps this is why they wring their hands and complain about FOI, the various Depts. do not have the correct systems and processes to capture the core business data - hence the  loathing.  Of course this also leads to a dysfunctional dept with poor outputs = IOM Govt.

 

Putting more people in doesn't solve the above cultural problem.

[Andy Onchan]

35 minutes ago, 2112 said:

And Auditing - and some of the big 4 firms and others have a chequered history. 
 

Perhaps it would have been wiser to get a truly independent (free from political interference and conflict of interest from Manx HR lawyers and recruitment experts) report, possibly a KC specialist in Employment/HR or a specialist with experience of dealing with the HR departments within large scale organisations? 
 

 

From the little I've read it's more about process, including IT and ultimately where the decision making & responsibility lies. 

[manxman1980]

2 hours ago, Mistercee said:

What qualifies Grant Thornton to compile this report and make recommendations? Are they not a firm of Accountants? We all know what Accountants did to the Banks etc!! 

They should have a got a seasoned HR professional in to have a critical look at how it is being run as an initial step. 

All Grant Thornton are doing is backing the wish to expand the empire.   

 

2 hours ago, 2112 said:

And Auditing - and some of the big 4 firms and others have a chequered history. 
 

Perhaps it would have been wiser to get a truly independent (free from political interference and conflict of interest from Manx HR lawyers and recruitment experts) report, possibly a KC specialist in Employment/HR or a specialist with experience of dealing with the HR departments within large scale organisations? 
 

 

You would want someone like Gartner conducting that review.

[When Skies are Grey V2]

i recently got bounced from a govt role application on the grounds that my CV was only 2 pages long and that I hadn't specifically said I was computer literate, despite the only application process......crazy 

 

 

[Max Power]

6 hours ago, manxman1980 said:

Sounds more like your friend expected HR to write the CV in full for them.

Best advice for a CV is to write it specifically for the job you are applying for.  Don't rely on a generic one.

Also keep personal details to a minimum.  Don't include date of birth,  marital status,  number of kids, pets or even hobbies unless any of that is relevant to the job.  99.9% of the time it won't be. 

Not really, but despite a meeting and supplying the required information, the result was worse than hopeless, and I saw it. 

A bit of a 'kiss my ass' attitude to helping someone who had been made redundant at the whim of someone less qualified than he was.