Surprise! OHR investigation recommends over 50 new jobs

[b4mbi]

8000 employees - means 112, so in other words, should be able to manage with current staffing levels.

[The Phantom]

22 minutes ago, b4mbi said:

8000 employees - means 112, so in other words, should be able to manage with current staffing levels.

I'm assuming (hoping) there are different 'departments' of HR which would probably create a few more numbers than you'd expect. 

So a HR Dept for Police, ManxCare, Education, then the bloated real civil service?   But they all get classed as 'Govt HR'?

 

Edited December 14, 2023 by The Phantom

[Andy Onchan]

2 minutes ago, The Phantom said:

I'm assuming (hoping) there are different 'departments' of HR which would probably create a few more numbers than you'd expect. 

So a HR Dept for Police, ManxCare, Education, then the bloated real civil service? 

 

They're all outlined in the report.

[HeteroErectus]

11 minutes ago, The Phantom said:

I'm assuming (hoping) there are different 'departments' of HR which would probably create a few more numbers than you'd expect. 

So a HR Dept for Police, ManxCare, Education, then the bloated real civil service?   But they all get classed as 'Govt HR'?

 

Surprisingly, each department has its own HR staff in adddition to those at OHR. (Have a look on Linkedin). 

The figure quoted are massively under representing the amount of HR roles.

Edited December 14, 2023 by HeteroErectus

[Cueey Lewis And The News]

16 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said:

They're all outlined in the report.

There’s some absolute belters on Page 59

https://hr.gov.im/media/2533/iom-govt-ohr-review-to-be-report-final_compressed.pdf

Firstly, we recommend that OHR takes action to support the development of HR generalist skills and to help break down the silos reported across the function. This includes the creation of opportunities for cross collaboration between OHR staff across different teams to develop broader knowledge on HR matters. The introduction of the recommended Help Desk Team, HR Advisory Service Team, and Project Practice 

Which can be summarized as we recommend that OHR employs people who actually work in HR or who have some sort of loose form of HR skills or qualifications. And then we recommend that they don’t act like dicks with each other and learn to do the job they’re paid to do. 

and 

Our engagement with both OHR staff and service users found that there was a positive view of the knowledge and expertise of personnel on some HR matters. It was noted, however, that there were significant key person dependencies present. This represents a risk to OHR if those personnel are lost.

So a HR Department has no real succession plan whilst supposedly being there to help other departments to support their recruitment and succession planning. 

and 

We also recommend that relevant OHR staff are offered further training opportunities on topics that include leadership, performance management, coaching and data analytics

Training, coaching and data analytics & performance management is basically your fucking job if you work in HR  job isn’t it? 

and

Our engagement with staff also identified a growing need for negotiation and dispute resolution skills when engaging with customers and trade unions.

Ie, Many of them don’t have a clue and hand out taxpayers money like sweeties. 

Edited December 14, 2023 by Cueey Lewis And The News

[The Phantom]

18 minutes ago, The Phantom said:

I'm assuming (hoping) there are different 'departments' of HR which would probably create a few more numbers than you'd expect. 

So a HR Dept for Police, ManxCare, Education, then the bloated real civil service?   But they all get classed as 'Govt HR'?

 

 

8 minutes ago, HeteroErectus said:

Surprisingly, each department has its own HR staff in adddition to those at OHR. (Have a look on Linkedin). 

The figure quoted are massively under representing the amount of HR roles.

 

Some of them are fairly obvious, but quite a few are pretty vague.  Like, where are the Police?  Surely they have a segregated HR dept. 

 

 

[GreyWolf]

FFS if these jobs do happen then the lunatics really have taken over the asylum.

[Sheldon]

15 minutes ago, Cueey Lewis And The News said:

There’s some absolute belters on Page 59

https://hr.gov.im/media/2533/iom-govt-ohr-review-to-be-report-final_compressed.pdf

Firstly, we recommend that OHR takes action to support the development of HR generalist skills and to help break down the silos reported across the function. This includes the creation of opportunities for cross collaboration between OHR staff across different teams to develop broader knowledge on HR matters. The introduction of the recommended Help Desk Team, HR Advisory Service Team, and Project Practice 

Which can be summarized as we recommend that OHR employs people who actually work in HR or who have some sort of loose form of HR skills or qualifications. And then we recommend that they don’t act like dicks with each other and learn to do the job they’re paid to do. 

and 

Our engagement with both OHR staff and service users found that there was a positive view of the knowledge and expertise of personnel on some HR matters. It was noted, however, that there were significant key person dependencies present. This represents a risk to OHR if those personnel are lost.

So a HR Department has no real succession plan whilst supposedly being there to help other departments to support their recruitment and succession planning. 

and 

We also recommend that relevant OHR staff are offered further training opportunities on topics that include leadership, performance management, coaching and data analytics

Training, coaching and data analytics & performance management is basically your fucking job if you work in HR  job isn’t it? 

and

Our engagement with staff also identified a growing need for negotiation and dispute resolution skills when engaging with customers and trade unions.

Ie, Many of them don’t have a clue and hand out taxpayers money like sweeties. 

TL;DR - the OHR is staffed by incompetents and is not fit for purpose. The very last thing that's needed is any more of them!

[asitis]

7 minutes ago, Sheldon said:

TL;DR - the OHR is staffed by incompetents and is not fit for purpose. The very last thing that's needed is any more of them!

...... and it has a penchant for hiring absolute incompetents into important roles, not surprising looking at the above !

[x-in-man]

Is there an HR department for The HR Department?

 

 

 

[Two-lane]

No doubt over the years there have been quite a few external reviews of gov. departments.

Have any of them recommended a reduction in staff levels?

 

[Non-Believer]

1 minute ago, Two-lane said:

No doubt over the years there have been quite a few external reviews of gov. departments.

Have any of them recommended a reduction in staff levels?

 

Those will be the ones carefully removed and filed on the dusty shelf with Steam Packet Reports and such. 

[Shake me up Judy]

1 hour ago, Two-lane said:

No doubt over the years there have been quite a few external reviews of gov. departments.

Have any of them recommended a reduction in staff levels?

 

That's not the recommendation that they're paid to conclude.

[ian rush]

2 hours ago, The Phantom said:

I'm assuming (hoping) there are different 'departments' of HR which would probably create a few more numbers than you'd expect. 

So a HR Dept for Police, ManxCare, Education, then the bloated real civil service?   But they all get classed as 'Govt HR'?

 

Nope, all centralised as a shared service.
 

As someone who has had experience what the report doesn’t bring out is the general overwork and/or incompetence of individuals, meeting after meeting and fuck all being documented. See e.g Ransom and the Grantham meetings.

[ian rush]

The GT report is usual bollocks where they benchmark against other things they’ve been involved with and justify their recommendations here with how well they’ve done in the past.