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15 minutes ago, Heffalump said:

The thing is..................EVERY OTHER CHURCH AND THEIR DOG KNOWS ABOUT THIS CHURCH, but does nothing. Are they afraid of taking them on or can't be bothered (probably the latter)?

You just have to look at any other Church on the Island (and probably the UK) no matter the particular branch of imaginary friend worship.  All of them are sliding into oblivion and irrelevance with falling attendance as the (western European) world becomes more and more secular. 

However one church seems to buck the trend.  Opening and taking over other churches with their unique way of doing things.  Tithes, well paid pastors, links to business and a whole demographic of recent immigrants.  Surely anyone with any kind of intelligence would smell something funny going on. 

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2 hours ago, NoTail said:

Although I find it fun to make jokes about these nutters, unfortunately there is a very real dark side to this.

The people who join this cult genuinely believe they have found God through Jesus etc.  The way the church/ cult operates will be to convince the followers that they are showing the only true way. Other churches are wrong. When someone starts to use a bit of critical thinking and decides to leave this will cause great upset with the ones they are leaving behind . To them this is a terrible move as the leaver is being tempted by the devil and losing the promise of eternal life etc. They will therefore try to convince the leaver to stay and if they fail they will ostracise the leaver to make an example. 

All of this can lead to great mental harm. To all concerned.  All because of a belief in total bollocks in the first place.  There is not much the government can do about this. My thought is to completely keep religion out of school and to ensure critical thinking is taught from a very young age.

 

same as every  religion then,  but with compulsory payments.

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37 minutes ago, The Phantom said:

You just have to look at any other Church on the Island (and probably the UK) no matter the particular branch of imaginary friend worship.  All of them are sliding into oblivion and irrelevance with falling attendance as the (western European) world becomes more and more secular. 

However one church seems to buck the trend.  Opening and taking over other churches with their unique way of doing things.  Tithes, well paid pastors, links to business and a whole demographic of recent immigrants.  Surely anyone with any kind of intelligence would smell something funny going on. 

I have no positive views of the Living Hope church, but your opinion on secularisation appears wide of the mark: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_by_country

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Depends how you measure 'Christianity'? Do you go to church regularly? Did your Grandparents say that they were 'Christians'? Did your parents?

Is that why people tick the box???

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21 minutes ago, Harry Lamb said:

I have no positive views of the Living Hope church, but your opinion on secularisation appears wide of the mark: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_by_country

I'll raise yoh another Wiki link.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decline_of_Christianity_in_the_Western_world#:~:text=Christianity%2C the largest religion in,2016 and 64% in 2022.

Yours only lists current numbers. No increase or decrease. No breakdown of region.

I'd concede possible increases in developing countries as populations grow. But overall % in developed countries are declining. 

You just need to go to any church on the Island on a Sunday. Years ago they were full. Now they are not. 

All except LH.

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27 minutes ago, The Phantom said:

You just need to go to any church on the Island on a Sunday. Years ago they were full. Now they are not. 

Another consequence of strict licensing laws?

Actually, declining  church attendance has probably helped the hospitality industry???

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1 hour ago, Kopek said:

Depends how you measure 'Christianity'? Do you go to church regularly? Did your Grandparents say that they were 'Christians'? Did your parents?

Is that why people tick the box???

I can imagine that is a significant factor.  People see themselves as Christian due to family history or that is just the standard automatic response for anyone white and anglo saxon, despite the fact that they only go to church for christenings, weddings or funerals.   It almost more a national identity rather than an actual religion. 

 

43 minutes ago, Kopek said:

Another consequence of strict licensing laws?

Actually, declining  church attendance has probably helped the hospitality industry???

Ha, I like the logic, but I doubt there is any link.

You could draw similar parallels to tobacco consumption to the decline of religion.  Less and less in the western developed world, but huge increases in the South and East. My brother is involved in the Tobacco industry in East Africa and business is booming. 

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1 hour ago, The Phantom said:

You just need to go to any church on the Island on a Sunday. Years ago they were full. Now they are not. 

All except LH.

If it wasn’t for all the Safa’s being inducted then they wouldn’t have half the congregation they do. It makes you wonder what draws them here first? Leaving SA and finding refuge in the LH or being recruited by LH in SA?

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1 hour ago, Thefella said:

If it wasn’t for all the Safa’s being inducted then they wouldn’t have half the congregation they do. It makes you wonder what draws them here first? Leaving SA and finding refuge in the LH or being recruited by LH in SA?

They leave South Africa because they are shit scared, they get inducted shortly after arrival as a good place to meet the SA community. LH was developed as a business to satisfy a growing demand as many South Africans are raised as religious nut jobs so don't know any better.

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13 minutes ago, HiVibes said:

They leave South Africa because they are shit scared, they get inducted shortly after arrival as a good place to meet the SA community. LH was developed as a business to satisfy a growing demand as many South Africans are raised as religious nut jobs so don't know any better.

In my experience Saffas are generally a lot more religious before or after leaving the Motherland.

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3 hours ago, Thomas Dalby said:

Get their fund-raising guy in at Manx Care tho

Or Isle of Man Government. Get people so excited by the prospect of living redemption that they voluntarily agree to pay a 10% tithe on their income. Which is basically what Lawrie Hooper and Alex Allison agreed to do at the last budget which failed. Agree to pay 10% extra in income tax for promised services that never get delivered by anyone. It was all a con trick. 

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