Fred the shred Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 I know politicians, especially the current gang, are always desperate to be popular and be known as the good guy or gal and the person who will stick up for the little man or woman in the street but a popularity competition does not make for good government. Anything that could ruffle feathers immediately gets kicked into the long grass so a consultation can be made or a sub committee who can delay any decision. The present incumbents seem incapable of decision making when they are in charge of a department they do very little but once they leave that position they start firing on all cylinders supporting anything that moves. Chris Thomas is a prime example has he not realised he is not Minister in charge of the DOI anymore, got the heave Ho , he is on MR regularly commenting on it as if has still got the job, hardly heard a peep when he had. Talk about people pleasers all the usual suspects were up in arms regarding the Steam Packet they would be better off getting on with what they are getting paid for and leaving the Unions and Management to sort things out the last thing that is needed is their interference. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 It can all be laid at the door of a lack of a system featuring a democratic opposition. Nobody is asking questions, examining, criticising or opposing without good reason. We have the unelected ruling with the elected in their pockets via favours, patronage and myopia. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 21 minutes ago, Fred the shred said: I know politicians, especially the current gang, are always desperate to be popular and be known as the good guy or gal and the person who will stick up for the little man or woman in the street but a popularity competition does not make for good government. Anything that could ruffle feathers immediately gets kicked into the long grass so a consultation can be made or a sub committee who can delay any decision. The present incumbents seem incapable of decision making when they are in charge of a department they do very little but once they leave that position they start firing on all cylinders supporting anything that moves. Chris Thomas is a prime example has he not realised he is not Minister in charge of the DOI anymore, got the heave Ho , he is on MR regularly commenting on it as if has still got the job, hardly heard a peep when he had. Talk about people pleasers all the usual suspects were up in arms regarding the Steam Packet they would be better off getting on with what they are getting paid for and leaving the Unions and Management to sort things out the last thing that is needed is their interference. Certainly agree re Chris Thomas. But would suggest that the Government has very much an interest in the operation of the Steam Packet given its “ lifeline” status. OK the “ living on board” dispute should be sorted out between the company and the unions but if it has a really adverse affect on the traveling public or carriage of freight there is a case that the Government has a duty to involve itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 39 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: Certainly agree re Chris Thomas. But would suggest that the Government has very much an interest in the operation of the Steam Packet given its “ lifeline” status. OK the “ living on board” dispute should be sorted out between the company and the unions but if it has a really adverse affect on the traveling public or carriage of freight there is a case that the Government has a duty to involve itself. government involvement is what fucked it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passing Time Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 None of the current crap crop could have earned anywhere near what they are getting as an mhk prior to being elected. Hereby lies the problem 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Passing Time said: None of the current crap crop could have earned anywhere near what they are getting as an mhk prior to being elected. Hereby lies the problem It's not just the (suspect) quality of elected candidates...the whole system is flawed. But none of them have the clout to question it and it's too cosy too be questioned. Pointless jollys and feeding of bullshit keeps them onside. Edited January 1 by Non-Believer Typo 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 We need to hit the very bottom before unpopular decisions will be made. Currently they still have the ‘reserves’ to raid but when public opinion grows about that they are in trouble. Reckon Cannan and the likes has his eye on the election as then it will be others responsibility. He along with many more will be off. Despite the fact he’s nurtured this closed shop mentality. All down to him !! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Numbnuts said: We need to hit the very bottom before unpopular decisions will be made. Currently they still have the ‘reserves’ to raid but when public opinion grows about that they are in trouble. Reckon Cannan and the likes has his eye on the election as then it will be others responsibility. He along with many more will be off. Despite the fact he’s nurtured this closed shop mentality. All down to him !! Electioneering will take precedence over the needs, it existed long before Cannan. Two elected periods with a generous pension is not enough to concentrate minds for the long term including fallout time long after their departure. Too many have shown this. "The very bottom" has serious economic implications for the living standards of the people of the Island; at least those not employed by Govt itself. Edited January 1 by Non-Believer Extra bit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: Electioneering will take precedence over the needs, it existed long before Cannan. Two elected periods with a generous pension is not enough to concentrate minds for the long term including fallout time long after their departure. Too many have shown this. "The very bottom" has serious economic implications for the living standards of the people of the Island; at least those not employed by Govt itself. Agree totally about the implications of hitting the bottom . But the system won’t change till it happens. Turkeys don’t vote for Xmas. Let’s face it it’s a shit show currently and we can all see why that’s the case. The CS now have far too much power and hold over Government and the mentality that’s created within and by CoMin . Not changing unless something drastic happens to break the hold. And the electioneering and promises made but never implemented are wearing thin now and not sure candidates will get away with it anymore. Edited January 1 by Numbnuts 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Numbnuts said: Agree totally about the implications of hitting the bottom . But the system won’t change till it happens. Turkeys don’t vote for Xmas. Let’s face it it’s a shit show currently and we can all see why that’s the case. The CS now have far too much power and hold over Government and the mentality that’s created within and by CoMin . Not changing unless something drastic happens to break the hold. And the electioneering and promises made but never implemented are wearing thin now and not sure candidates will get away with it anymore. The elected have no notion of hitting the bottom because they are told that it won't or can't happen by those* who will be the very last to feel the effects when it does. And because none of those elected formally oppose, none of them question it. *"Those" being Caldric's shower of self service, expanding but otherwise unemployable shite, employed and pensioned with terms and conditions that most of the private sector could only dream about; all paid for by taxes from the private sector. To include those and their culture foisted upon the local authorities. Edited January 1 by Non-Believer Typo 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 Even common sense requires endless committees and reports ! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monasqueen Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 1 hour ago, asitis said: Even common sense requires endless committees and reports ! There's no sense in it, and it's certainly not common. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hmmmm Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 7 hours ago, Numbnuts said: We need to hit the very bottom before unpopular decisions will be made. Currently they still have the ‘reserves’ to raid but when public opinion grows about that they are in trouble. Reckon Cannan and the likes has his eye on the election as then it will be others responsibility. He along with many more will be off. Despite the fact he’s nurtured this closed shop mentality. All down to him !! 8 hours ago, Passing Time said: None of the current crap crop could have earned anywhere near what they are getting as an mhk prior to being elected. Hereby lies the problem I broadly agree and once they are in place it is as if they transfixed by their surroundings and percieved self importance. It really is a fascinating process whereby they appear to completely forget what they stood for and are content to sit back and enjoy the comfortable trappings of their new position and believed status. 7 hours ago, Numbnuts said: We need to hit the very bottom before unpopular decisions will be made. Currently they still have the ‘reserves’ to raid but when public opinion grows about that they are in trouble. Reckon Cannan and the likes has his eye on the election as then it will be others responsibility. He along with many more will be off. Despite the fact he’s nurtured this closed shop mentality. All down to him !! Cannon has been truly woeful. The constant use of reserves is ridiculous and used to bolster a failing govt. with an out of control CS. The legacy of inflated capital projects such as the ferry terminal et al is shameful and yet it continues to occur. Manx care has not worked, airport is a mess etc etc. You really can go on and on with state of the island. The MDC, is a headscratching project as to its profitablitity against cap/op expenditure- whereby the Treasury underwrites all loans- that has a stated aim of eventually paying a dividend back to the manx taxpayer - although they are wise to not put a time frame on this. A New Year but I fear more of the same inept Govt. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Flint Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 The telling sign will be how many seek re-election in 2026. If current intelligence is correct it will be few, because the money will be about to run out and the job will be impossible to do on a populist manifesto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 7 minutes ago, Hmmmm said: I broadly agree and once they are in place it is as if they transfixed by their surroundings and percieved self importance. It really is a fascinating process whereby they appear to completely forget what they stood for and are content to sit back and enjoy the comfortable trappings of their new position and believed status. Cannon has been truly woeful. The constant use of reserves is ridiculous and used to bolster a failing govt. with an out of control CS. The legacy of inflated capital projects such as the ferry terminal et al is shameful and yet it continues to occur. Manx care has not worked, airport is a mess etc etc. You really can go on and on with state of the island. The MDC, is a headscratching project as to its profitablitity against cap/op expenditure- whereby the Treasury underwrites all loans- that has a stated aim of eventually paying a dividend back to the manx taxpayer - although they are wise to not put a time frame on this. A New Year but I fear more of the same inept Govt. Everyone complaining about use of reserves to maintain services but no one says which services they would like cut to save reserves! It’s no good say Cut CS without giving details and how they would achieve this, you can’t just get rid of vast numbers of staff overnight!, even if you could the massive redundancy payments, loss of tax take, benefits payments etc would cause massive strain on resources as well. people like to complain but never off reasonable costed plans as alternatives 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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