The Voice of Reason Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 2 hours ago, alpha-acid said: Well that is what he calls himself It’s what we all call him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyDave Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 Do all these old people who expect the rest of us to pay for their old school TV, also want us to buy their Radio Times and marker pens for them as well? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 12 minutes ago, CrazyDave said: Do all these old people who expect the rest of us to pay for their old school TV, also want us to buy their Radio Times and marker pens for them as well? Pray tell, could you please define “ old school TV?” As for expecting “the rest of us to buy old people’s Radio Times and marker pens for them”. No I don’t think they do. What makes you think they might? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyDave Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 5 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: Pray tell, could you please define “ old school TV?” As for expecting “the rest of us to buy old people’s Radio Times and marker pens for them”. No I don’t think they do. What makes you think they might? Live tv is old school. it might be normal on here with its elderly demographic, but definitely not in the real world. Our kids rarely even use a TV, they watch everything on demand via games consoles, PCs tablets and phones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 16 minutes ago, CrazyDave said: Live tv is old school. it might be normal on here with its elderly demographic, but definitely not in the real world. Our kids rarely even use a TV, they watch everything on demand via games consoles, PCs tablets and phones. That’s a shame. They are missing out on so much. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 @On demand@ TV doesn't require a licence does it? Unless it's BBC on demand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barlow Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 (edited) 3 hours ago, woolley said: Some of the output is undeniably first rate, but so is some commercially produced material too, for example the current excellent ITV drama about the sub-postmasters scandal. Yep, I was surprised at the quality: acting, writing, accuracy where necessary, directing etc. There's a thread elsewhere on it. I have followed this for a few years (via Private Eye) and it took this series to bring it fully into the general public consciousness. Would BBC have produced such a drama? Although on the subject there is a Panorama Report but it didn't have much impact. Incidentally Adam Crozier left as CEO of Post Office in 2010 (and was present at a crucial time of the now exposed scandal) to become Chief Exec at . . . . ITV. A man who says he does not like the spotlight. I think he's going to have an interesting 2024. Edited January 4 by Barlow 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chie Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 On 1/4/2024 at 7:33 AM, Banker said: That’s because you’re anti establishment etc etc and think tv is all state propaganda! I don't think I have ever once stated whether I am anti establishment or not. Weird hill for you to die on but there we go. The real reason is... On 1/4/2024 at 9:32 AM, Andy Onchan said: I think you'll find that most of it is shit! That's why a lot of people don't watch 'live' TV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 13 hours ago, Kopek said: @On demand@ TV doesn't require a licence does it? Unless it's BBC on demand? It does: https://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/check-if-you-need-one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 I pay my licence fee because I'm generally a compliant soul regarding these things, but I think it's had its time. When it came in it paid for BBC1, BBC2, and assorted radio stations. You never needed a license to listen to the radio, it was only if you had a TV capable of receiving BBC TV. This was distinct from Independent TV funded by advertising. The distinction is now blurred completely by streaming, recording, multiple devices capable of watching TV, and multiple competing services out there. I think the time has come to scrap the license fee completely, and fund the BBC from general taxation (if we agree that we need a state broadcaster) and/or from other sources such as selling Top Gear to Iran etc. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyDave Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 3 minutes ago, wrighty said: I pay my licence fee because I'm generally a compliant soul regarding these things, but I think it's had its time. When it came in it paid for BBC1, BBC2, and assorted radio stations. You never needed a license to listen to the radio, it was only if you had a TV capable of receiving BBC TV. This was distinct from Independent TV funded by advertising. The distinction is now blurred completely by streaming, recording, multiple devices capable of watching TV, and multiple competing services out there. I think the time has come to scrap the license fee completely, and fund the BBC from general taxation (if we agree that we need a state broadcaster) and/or from other sources such as selling Top Gear to Iran etc. Exactly this, and there is no justifiable reason why the heaviest users (old people) don’t pay when they expect the rest of us to subsidise them. Cut it right back and do it out of general taxation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Lamb Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 6 minutes ago, wrighty said: I pay my licence fee because I'm generally a compliant soul regarding these things, but I think it's had its time. When it came in it paid for BBC1, BBC2, and assorted radio stations. You never needed a license to listen to the radio, it was only if you had a TV capable of receiving BBC TV. This was distinct from Independent TV funded by advertising. The distinction is now blurred completely by streaming, recording, multiple devices capable of watching TV, and multiple competing services out there. I think the time has come to scrap the license fee completely, and fund the BBC from general taxation (if we agree that we need a state broadcaster) and/or from other sources such as selling Top Gear to Iran etc. At one time you did have to have a radio licence which was 10/ I think. A TV licence also covered radio, but you could still have a radio only licence up till around 1970. It covered plug in receivers and was killed off by the ubiquity of TV licences and portable radios. I should get out more, but I'm currently infectious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 14 minutes ago, wrighty said: You never needed a license to listen to the radio, it was only if you had a TV capable of receiving BBC TV. This was distinct from Independent TV funded by advertising. Actually there was a radio licence which wasn't abolished till February 1971. By that time it was assumed that nearly everyone had a television and those who didn't would be too poor and it would be too much effort to charge them separately. But the payment for TV effectively covers it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Lamb Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 15 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: Actually there was a radio licence which wasn't abolished till February 1971. By that time it was assumed that nearly everyone had a television and those who didn't would be too poor and it would be too much effort to charge them separately. But the payment for TV effectively covers it. 1971 -So I was a year out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monasqueen Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 3 hours ago, CrazyDave said: Exactly this, and there is no justifiable reason why the heaviest users (old people) don’t pay when they expect the rest of us to subsidise them. Why not go the whole hog and have everyone euthanised when they reach the age of 75, so they are no longer able to enjoy the rewards of having paid into a system that was always supposed to help to look after them. At that age, they are beyond their normal life expectancy, and therefore expendable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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