Non-Believer Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 11 minutes ago, Bill1977 said: Why can’t they appoint people to departments that actually know something about that industry or worked in it ie Allison to health, Hooper to finance, Moorhouse to education etc It makes no sense! Because their knowledge might equal or exceed that of their underlings which might make it difficult for them to be pointed in the required directions by same underlings. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holte End Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 This is what I don't understand,If the southern swimming board and the Local MHK's have put in a new last minute proposal to the Government. It is they who have done the U-turn. It seems to me the southern MHK's and the board were playing a dangerous game and it appears to have back fired on them. The leaked letter ,which was leaked without a care for pool workers to manx radio, I hope manx radio expose who this person was, hopefully it will not be one the the said MHK's. Using Glen Crutchery in their agenda against Government spending on Douglas pools, was totally disgraceful, MHK's threatening to vote against the budget is surely against government conduct standards and really needs to be looked into, But as it is the presiding Tynwald office, the Speaker who is heading this , I doubt it will be even mentioned. I think DESC have called their bluff and now they have back tracked. The cat and mouse shenanigans should leave a bitter taste in the mouth of DESC and it public servants, whom really don't deserve the abuse they have received from some of the southern MHK's. I hope What happened to Rob Callister happens to Tim Glover and Michelle Haywood (deleting comments, have to be done really fast). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 18 minutes ago, Holte End said: This is what I don't understand,If the southern swimming board and the Local MHK's have put in a new last minute proposal to the Government. It is they who have done the U-turn. It seems to me the southern MHK's and the board were playing a dangerous game and it appears to have back fired on them. The leaked letter ,which was leaked without a care for pool workers to manx radio, I hope manx radio expose who this person was, hopefully it will not be one the the said MHK's. Using Glen Crutchery in their agenda against Government spending on Douglas pools, was totally disgraceful, MHK's threatening to vote against the budget is surely against government conduct standards and really needs to be looked into, But as it is the presiding Tynwald office, the Speaker who is heading this , I doubt it will be even mentioned. I think DESC have called their bluff and now they have back tracked. The cat and mouse shenanigans should leave a bitter taste in the mouth of DESC and it public servants, whom really don't deserve the abuse they have received from some of the southern MHK's. I hope What happened to Rob Callister happens to Tim Glover and Michelle Haywood (deleting comments, have to be done really fast). The DESC were/are the whipping boys & girls. The driver behind all of this is Treasury. They send out the edict that cuts must happen and it's up to the departments to do it. The result is that this issue which was restricted to the south of the island will, in future, be financed by increasing local or national rates right across the Island. Treasury don't give a shit where the money comes from as long as it's able to balance the books. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill1977 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 Another massive own goal and proves the Douglas centric nature of the IOM Government. We are not the first place to favour the capital, but the south still has a sense of community so to try take away their local swimming pool is a joke. Can’t they run in a more business like fashion and promote it better? This might have already been covered, but how does the pool charge the schools? If every KS2 and KS3 child uses the pool in term time once a week then surely there is a charge from one government department to another? That alone would bring in thousands a week. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holte End Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 7 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said: The DESC were/are the whipping boys & girls. The driver behind all of this is Treasury. They send out the edict that cuts must happen and it's up to the departments to do it. The result is that this issue which was restricted to the south of the island will, in future, be financed by increasing local or national rates right across the Island. Treasury don't give a shit where the money comes from as long as it's able to balance the books. Totally agree, but the blame lies at the feet of the board and the southern MHK's. Treasury don't even have to join in the cat and mouse games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercenary Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 15 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said: The DESC were/are the whipping boys & girls. The driver behind all of this is Treasury. They send out the edict that cuts must happen and it's up to the departments to do it. The result is that this issue which was restricted to the south of the island will, in future, be financed by increasing local or national rates right across the Island. Treasury don't give a shit where the money comes from as long as it's able to balance the books. Even worse than that don't Treasury have to sign off individual capital bids? It's not like Departments have full say over their capital budgets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holte End Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Bill1977 said: Another massive own goal and proves the Douglas centric nature of the IOM Government. We are not the first place to favour the capital, but the south still has a sense of community so to try take away their local swimming pool is a joke. Can’t they run in a more business like fashion and promote it better? This might have already been covered, but how does the pool charge the schools? If every KS2 and KS3 child uses the pool in term time once a week then surely there is a charge from one government department to another? That alone would bring in thousands a week. So that accounts to £39,000.00 a year, I sure DESC would love to keep the rest, about £360,000.00. Edited January 20 by Holte End Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 4 minutes ago, Holte End said: So that accounts to £39,000.00 a year, I sure DESC would love to keep the rest, about £360,000.00. Maybe it was a very clever government plan all along. If only they were that smart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holte End Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 (edited) 16 minutes ago, woolley said: Maybe it was a very clever government plan all along. If only they were that smart. Or Government is just sick of MHK's, who just never stop electioneering. Edited January 20 by Holte End 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 (edited) 14 hours ago, woolley said: A start is to cut headcount across departments by natural wastage and redeployment. That is a bare minimum statement of intent. CS/PS recruitment, promotion and pay rises should all be frozen. Just like they should have been when the UK wised-up to the VAT scam. The CS/PS were ripe then for a really needed right-sizing exercise but the politicos checked how much self-interest they had in the game and promptly ducked it. Just like they did with Lisvane... Every CS/PS role and their outputs should be measured, sized and then traced up through the food chain looking for value add. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if a lot of stuff produced has no value to anyone other than a manager trying to look busy by "managing" worthless outputs. No entity should be spared from this endeavour either - no such thing as a sacred cow when money is short... Edited January 21 by P.K. typo 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 Incidentally I noticed in the pub, Co-Op etc "Sign the Petition" sheets to keep the pool open had appeared. Alas I was in the pub sans glasses with good company and a couple of pints on board so I failed to check where they had come from? Anyone know the identity of the instigator(s)? Just curious... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 10 hours ago, finlo said: Come on Voicey, even you must realise this is a position created for an ex copper or similar to go double dipping! In all seriousness I don’t. Seems a straightforward job description for an administrative assistant. Perhaps you could point out the bits or clues that lead you to your conclusions about the position? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 1 minute ago, The Voice of Reason said: In all seriousness I don’t. Seems a straightforward job description for an administrative assistant. Perhaps you could point out the bits or clues that lead you to your conclusions about the position? How many new laws have Tynwald passed in the last few years? New rules and regulations? In other words how has the CS/PS workload increased to such an extent that they need more staff to cope? Personally I don't believe it has... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 7 minutes ago, P.K. said: How many new laws have Tynwald passed in the last few years? New rules and regulations? In other words how has the CS/PS workload increased to such an extent that they need more staff to cope? Personally I don't believe it has... But the job maybe to replace an existing employee who is leaving, thus not for new staff ( unless I’ve missed something in the advert) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omobono Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 10 hours ago, Holte End said: Totally agree, but the blame lies at the feet of the board and the southern MHK's. Treasury don't even have to join in the cat and mouse games. But dont' the champagne socialists and labour party control the Treasury cant see anyone in there threatening anybody , there a bunch of wimps ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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