Gladys Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Isn't the basic issue the scope of government? Broaden the scope and you need to staff it. That is not only those who are doing whatever function government thinks should be done, but also the background support and (dare I say it) infrastructure that needs to be in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 (edited) This will be a continuation of the current trajectory of public services being removed completely as options for the taxpayer or being made more expensive for the user. Take a look back over the last two years in particular and it's going to get worse. One wouldn't mind if the Govt wasn't simultaneously growing without control or objection; but it's not. If it has received a report saying that 50-odd more employees are needed to administer the ones we already have then the Govt will be duty-bound by its obligations to honour those recommendations. Make no mistake about it. If in the future there is an employment dispute with a public servant and Govt is proved to have disregarded its own commissioned report that recommended increased HR numbers that can be linked in some way to that dispute then it will be Ranson all over again. Edited January 12 by Non-Believer Extra bit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 14 minutes ago, CrazyDave said: Disagree. The pool should have been closed already, and we don’t know they are going to employ more people. I note you make no comment about the continuous upward trajectory of the size of government over very many years. There is a long track record here. Presumably you think this is ok. You also cite as benefits tax/NI receipts and salary spend in the economy of pointless bureaucrats, but omit to do so for people actually providing a useful service at the pool. You post utterly contradictory nonsense. 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holte End Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/planned-closure-of-southern-swimming-pool-betraying-residents-says-shk/ Can this man sink any lower, to use Glencrutchery swimming pool in his full manx radio interview, for his attack on the Douglas for having three swimming pool is totally disgraceful, stating they have two other swimming pools. He is not fit to be an MHK, let alone the Speaker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 11 minutes ago, Holte End said: Can this man sink any lower... No...maximum depth is 1.9m 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 9 minutes ago, Albert Tatlock said: No...maximum depth is 1.9m A good depth for some of our politicos would be the Mariana Trench ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 The Gov has an ambition to substantially grow the population. Making the place a brilliant place to bring up children is a key part of that. Investing in schools and leisure facilities is essential. They've been talking about CRHS and the swimming pool for more than a decade, and apart from some work on new sports fields they have done absolutely nothing. The utter disdain shown by several successive governments for the young makes me so cross. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holte End Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 1 minute ago, TheTeapot said: The Gov has an ambition to substantially grow the population. Making the place a brilliant place to bring up children is a key part of that. Investing in schools and leisure facilities is essential. They've been talking about CRHS and the swimming pool for more than a decade, and apart from some work on new sports fields they have done absolutely nothing. The utter disdain shown by several successive governments for the young makes me so cross. So your MHK thinks shutting down Glencrutchery is an option, to keep a badly rundown, locally run swimming pool afloat. Lets ask, how many southern MHK's in the last twenty years have been Ministers able to bring forward CRHS and what did they actually do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Hedgehog Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 35 minutes ago, Holte End said: https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/planned-closure-of-southern-swimming-pool-betraying-residents-says-shk/ Can this man sink any lower, to use Glencrutchery swimming pool in his full manx radio interview, for his attack on the Douglas for having three swimming pool is totally disgraceful, stating they have two other swimming pools. He is not fit to be an MHK, let alone the Speaker. He's just reminded me that on the swimming trips from Clothworkers to Ramsey it was always guaranteed that one kid would puke on the bus. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 1 minute ago, Holte End said: So your MHK thinks shutting down Glencrutchery is an option, to keep a badly rundown, locally run swimming pool afloat. Lets ask, how many southern MHK's in the last twenty years have been Ministers able to bring forward CRHS and what did they actually do. What? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holte End Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Just now, TheTeapot said: What? No, I am asking Who ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 3 minutes ago, Holte End said: No, I am asking Who ? If you are looking to dump a pretty large chunk of the blame at Graham Cregeens door then please go ahead. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holte End Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 (edited) 12 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: If you are looking to dump a pretty large chunk of the blame at Graham Cregeens door then please go ahead. Not just Graham Cregeen, this isn't a new project it has been on the books for years. How many southern MHKs in the last twenty years have been ministers and what have they done. Personally, I dump most of the blame on Juan Watterson door, only interested in being Speaker as you can't be blamed for poor Governance, when not getting involved and getting re-elected. Talks the talk, but can't walk the walk . Edited January 13 by Holte End Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 6 minutes ago, Holte End said: Not just Graham Cregeen, this isn't a new project it has been on the books for years. 7 (seven) years ago he was Minister for Education and Children, having been an MHK since 2006. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyDave Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 11 minutes ago, Holte End said: Not just Graham Cregeen, this isn't a new project it has been on the books for years. How many southern MHKs in the last twenty years have been ministers and what have they done. Personally, I dump most of the blame on Juan Watterson door, only interested in being Speaker as you can't be blamed for poor Governance, when not getting involved and getting re-elected. Talks the talk, but can't walk the walk . Are you suggesting southern MHKs should have stamped their feet and had a school built from nowhere? How would that have worked exactly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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