Holte End Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Just now, CrazyDave said: Are you suggesting southern MHKs should have stamped their feet and had a school built from nowhere? How would that have worked exactly? Isn't that what they are doing now, too little to late. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyDave Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 2 minutes ago, Holte End said: Isn't that what they are doing now, too little to late. What? There is absolutely nothing a small group of MHKs can do to push ahead a massive project like a school. This is exactly why this island is screwed. People don’t understand how government works, the role of an MhK or the role of an MLC. It’s a new school FFS. Years of planning and hundreds of millions of pounds of cost. There is very obviously a huge amount of work to be done in the background and a handful of local MhKs can shout about it as much as they want to try and win votes, but it will make zero difference to if or when it goes ahead. What do you expect the current MHKs to do, and what do you think the previous ones should have done better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 11 hours ago, Gladys said: Isn't the basic issue the scope of government? Broaden the scope and you need to staff it. That is not only those who are doing whatever function government thinks should be done, but also the background support and (dare I say it) infrastructure that needs to be in place. The problem isn't the scope of government, it's the depth. Elaborate hierarchies are constantly being erected and enhanced to justify increased increased salaries and self-importance for those at the top or because those already in the system aren't up to the job and they're trying to take on extras to do the job for them (it never works so they recruit even more). Not only does this mean an ever-increasing number of ever-more expensive managers, it increases the pressures on those below who are over-managed and have to spend more time ameliorating the decisions of their superiors and participating in activities to make the managers feel they are doing something useful. All of which means poorer and more rushed service to the public and demoralised frontline staff. Of course the introduction of 'arms-length' structures just makes this worse because this bureaucracy is doubled and political oversight and responsibility reduced, meaning even more expansion of managerial numbers, salaries and perks. And much more scope for things to go wrong. As has been observed by some journalists this week, when the press finally discovered the Post Office scandal about a decade after the rest of us, the arms-length status of the Post Office meant that responsibility and justice could be put off for ever. 6 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 12 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: Of course the introduction of 'arms-length' structures just makes this worse because this bureaucracy is doubled and political oversight and responsibility reduced, meaning even more expansion of managerial numbers, salaries and perks. And much more scope for things to go wrong. See Manx Care. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holte End Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 1 hour ago, CrazyDave said: What do you expect the current MHKs to do, and what do you think the previous ones should have done better? The southern ones, kept an eye on what was being achieved in respect of the new school. Not a lot to ask. One been there for 17 years. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyDave Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 3 minutes ago, Holte End said: The southern ones, kept an eye on what was being achieved in respect of the new school. Not a lot to ask. One been there for 17 years. You think they haven’t? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holte End Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 4 minutes ago, CrazyDave said: You think they haven’t? Without a doubt, Lets see their contributions to the school, when they have see any plans, there meeting with capital projects over the years on this project. All their correspondence over the project over the years. Someone should put a FOI in, their emails will be deleted fasten than the treasury ministers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred the shred Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 The new school project has been in discussion now for absolutely ages with no real action, every year it is put on the back burner means it will cost more and more. How about keeping the pool in question going until the new school is built with a first class pool which would be available for public use out of school hours ? If it was built with a dual purpose in mind it wouldn’t be difficult to operate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holte End Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 1 hour ago, Fred the shred said: The new school project has been in discussion now for absolutely ages with no real action, every year it is put on the back burner means it will cost more and more. How about keeping the pool in question going until the new school is built with a first class pool which would be available for public use out of school hours ? If it was built with a dual purpose in mind it wouldn’t be difficult to operate. Yes lets spend half million to a million on a pool a year, your going to replace, why not save the money for the new one your going to build. FFS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyDave Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 1 hour ago, Fred the shred said: The new school project has been in discussion now for absolutely ages with no real action, every year it is put on the back burner means it will cost more and more. How about keeping the pool in question going until the new school is built with a first class pool which would be available for public use out of school hours ? If it was built with a dual purpose in mind it wouldn’t be difficult to operate. You should suggest that. I doubt anyone in government has thought of it or looked at it as an option Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiVibes Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Indoor Swimming Pools are a bit dated aren't they, most serious swimmers I know took up sea swimming over lockdown and have little interest in paying £5 to swim in a chlorinated pool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred the shred Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 It would be impossible to teach a class of children in the sea and most people like the water a little warmer than sea temperatures. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
code99 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 5 hours ago, Roger Mexico said: The problem isn't the scope of government, it's the depth. Elaborate hierarchies are constantly being erected and enhanced... My understanding is that each Government Department is a separate legal entity, hence, multiple CEOs, their Deputies, etc, etc. What benefit does this bring to the Island with a population of approximately 85,000 (or 100,000)? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiVibes Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 7 minutes ago, Fred the shred said: It would be impossible to teach a class of children in the sea and most people like the water a little warmer than sea temperatures. Not impossible, but if not practical then they can #getabus to the NSC, as for most people, if they want warm water and are prepared to pay £5 for the pleasure why are these pools all huge loss makers? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meoir Shee Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 I was up at Ramsey today in the cafe, seemed quite busy. If the quoted figures are true, £798k, how on earth does a swimming pool cost c£2,000 per day in subsidies? I’m all for community facilities and accept they probably won’t break even, but over £2k per day? On what? Across the water in St Anne’s, the figure is £141k. Fylde Council Approves Vital Subsidy to Sustain YMCA St Annes Swimming Pool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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